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Correct Air Kit part number...
« on: November 22, 2004, 06:44:11 PM »

What is the "correct" Air Kit part number for my '05 SEEG...??

My dealership gave me 29440-99c. Yet, one of the parts guys says that's not the right part. Plus the 29440-99c is a dry element...no oil.

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Re: Correct Air Kit part number...
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2004, 08:30:26 PM »

I have part # 29773-02A on my bike.  I originally bought it for my 03 Fatboy.  I had dealer install this, didn't even need download as I stayed with stock exhaust.
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Re: Correct Air Kit part number...
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2004, 10:26:08 PM »

After a fair amount of back and forth and indecision from parts counter guys we finally got a definitive answer from some HD tech office and was told the 29773-02A part number was the better way to go.
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Re: Correct Air Kit part number...
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2004, 11:08:16 AM »

They are both the same.  One comes with a label identifying that it is a performance part.  They both have oiled filters.  Take your air cleaner cover off and you can confirm this.
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Re: Correct Air Kit part number...
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2004, 02:07:47 PM »

The filter that's on it now is oiled. 29440-99c is not. It's a paper element which must stay dry. There in lies my confusion. Why would I go from an oil element (which I thought was better) to dry paper element.

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« Last Edit: November 23, 2004, 02:08:37 PM by phattey »
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Re: Correct Air Kit part number...
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2004, 08:08:05 PM »

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The filter that's on it now is oiled. 29440-99c is not. It's a paper element which must stay dry. There in lies my confusion. Why would I go from an oil element (which I thought was better) to dry paper element.

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Both dry (disposable paper) and wet (oiled foam or other oiled material) will work on your bike.  Micron size of the filter that you choose determines how much better one is than the other at filtering the air into the motor.  What is not mentioned is CFM that each will allow at the micron filtering size when optimized, either will do an equal job with most folks giving the nod to the paper element for the reasons of ease of maintenance.
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Re: Correct Air Kit part number...
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2004, 08:52:55 PM »

We are not buying the S/E breathers for filtration qualities, We are buying them for more air in, open exhaust for more air out, ie: more power. Both the paper and the Oil (K & N) will flow more air than the engine will use. BUT the K&N is washable and reusable for the life of the bike, the paper will get dirty and require replacement. BOTH cost the same initially, so why buy the paper one then spend more later for replacement elements?? The other difference no one has mentioned is the backing plate, or filter mount plate, is different on the two different part numbers. The 440C has the engine vacuum system cast into the plate, the 773 uses the old rubber hoses connected to chrome fittings which bolt between the air filter mtg plate and the head. My choice, regardless of what anyone smarter than me might say, and most people are smarter than me, is the K&N oil type asm (773) unit, so I can wash and keep the filter clean all the time vs buying clean white paper filters. My 2/cents
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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2004, 08:55:39 PM »

There is the inherent value to the k&n and good rationale for the purchase of it.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2004, 09:07:14 PM by mfgreen »
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Re: Correct Air Kit part number...
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2004, 10:29:43 PM »

If you buy the K & N renew kit, you can wash the element in the sink, let it dry overnite, re-oil and ready to go. No reason to not maintain them. The average guy who pays the dealer for service though will never have his K & N serviced correctly. They will either do nothing, or pressure wash and blow dry, both of which damages the filter.
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Re: Correct Air Kit part number...
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2004, 07:42:11 AM »

I've used oil'd elements (K&N) for years in other vehicles and am happy with those.

If my parts guy hasn't already sold the 2 remaining kits, old part number, I'll trade him back this 99c kit.

I also perfer the oil'd element.

Thanks for the discussions....I knew it'd help me decide.

Phattey...
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Re: Correct Air Kit part number...
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2004, 11:02:59 AM »

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If you buy the K & N renew kit, you can wash the element in the sink, let it dry overnite, re-oil and ready to go.

DW, I agree with you about washing & oiling k&n filters. My last couple bikes had k&n filters. Earlier this week I was at my dealer talking with a couple techs about my exhaust I was looking at. We moved on to the air cleaner and I asked them what the latest # was. I then began to tell them about what I have learned from my fellow amigos
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Re: Correct Air Kit part number...
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2004, 11:29:51 AM »

You are correct, you can, and I have, washed paper air filter elements. Just have to be careful, as you do on the K & N type filters. Just seems to me, the K & N with a little of there pre wash comes cleaner and holds its "shape" better. Plus it just makes me feel better to put the oil on it when it is dry, knowing it will help trap dust. But I am a clean freak, I could not ride with that white paper filter as it turned brown or stained. The K & N does not show that.
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« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2005, 11:24:14 AM »

I just found this on the internet about K&N filters and thought that I would pass this on:

"John: I was responsible for evaluating re-usable air filters for a major construction/mining company that had hundreds of vehicles ranging from large earthmovers to pick-up trucks and salesmen's cars. This study was embarked upon due to the fact that we were spending upwards of $30,000 a MONTH on paper air filters. Using them one time then throwing them away.. I initiated the study in that I was convinced that a K&N type filter or oiled foam would save us many dollars per year in filter savings, man hour savings, and of course engines as these would filter dirt better than paper. (yes, I had read the K&N ads and was a believer)

Representative test units were chosen to give us a broad spectrum from cars right through large front end loaders. With each unit we had a long history of oil analysis records so that changes would be trackable.

Unfortunately, for me, every single unit having alternative re-usable air cleaners showed an immediate large jump in silicon (dirt) levels with corresponding major increases in wear metals. In one extreme case, a unit with a primary and secondary air cleaner, the secondary (small paper element) clogged before even one day's test run could be completed. This particular unit had a Cummins V-12 engine that had paper/paper one bank and K&N/paper on the other bank; two completely independent induction systems. The conditions were EXACTLY duplicated for each bank yet the K&N allowed so much dirt to pass through that the small filter became clogged before lunch. The same outcome occurred with oiled foams on this unit.

We discontinued the tests on the large pieces almost immediately but continued with service trucks, foremen's vehicles, and my own company car. Analysis results continued showing markedly increased wear rates for all the vehicles, mine included. Test concluded, switched back to paper/glass and all vehicles showed reduction back to near original levels of both wear metals and dirt. I continued with the K&N on my company car out of stubbornness and at 85,000 miles the Chevy 305 V-8 wheezed its last breath. The top end was sanded badly; bottom end was just fine. End of test.

I must stress that EVERYONE involved in this test was hoping that alternative filters would work as everyone was sick about pulling out a perfectly good $85 air cleaner and throwing 4 of them away each week per machine...

So, I strongly suggest that depending upon an individual's long term plan for their vehicles they simply run an oil analysis at least once to see that the K&N or whatever alternative air filter is indeed working IN THAT APPLICATION... It depends on a person's priorities. If you want performance then indeed the K&N is the way to go but at what cost???

And no, I do not work for a paper or glass air filter manufacturing company nor do I have any affiliation with anything directly or indirectly that could benefit George Morrison as a result."

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Re: Correct Air Kit part number...
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2005, 09:54:15 PM »

Wow!!! Mike, what kind of shape was those outter filters that allowed the inner filters to get stopped up in less than 1 day? The secondarys seldom get stopped up unless the primary has developed holes from cleanout. The contractors using the wash method all use oil sampling at our dealership. I am going back to work tommorrow and will make a couple calls to see if they experienced any premature failures. Thanks Mike!   JR [smiley=laugh.gif]
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