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[arcticdude]

The title says most of it.  I've been unable to get any kind of definitive answer as to the temperatures typically seen in a house fire.  Somebody here has to know or have access to such stupid info.  I'm interested in averages seen, as well as peaks seen and for how long in a house fire.  Even a point to a www that has the info would be greatly appreciated.  I'd prefer an "outside" site- not a safe manufacturers site.   Need a new safe and am trying to get the most for the $.
tia
arctic

[Fired00d]

Check the  National Fire Protection Association website. I just did a search on "house fire temperatures" and it came back w/217 hits maybe one of them can help you.

Addendum: Another source is International Association of Firefighters

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[arcticdude]

Thanks dood, both of those have given some leads.  Maybe my question has never been answered.  Certainly there are lots of variables in a fire, I just assumed that in today's world somebody had compiled info arriving at "averages" for such things!

[DCFIREMANN]

Well I can tell you that the ceiling temperature of a free burning room is at or about 2000 degrees. The average temp of the room is closing in on 1000 degrees. Now a bunch of stuff comes into play. Has it been vented? Are the windows intact has it burned through the roof? These factors will come into play into the actual room temps.

Hope this helps

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[arcticdude]

Dawg,
That's what I'm looking for. Let's assume the windows have popped and the roof is not yet burned through.   What kind of temps should we see now?  How long do those kind of temps last? THANKS!!!
arctic

[ccr]

Ok my friend, what are you planning?  A weiner roast for 200 of your best friends?  You know your thoughts here can be used against you in a court of law.




Just teasing ya!   

[RJ749]

Arcticdude, here's something worth consideration as well.  It is a release by a lock builder for the shot show.  http://www.sglocks.com/pdf/UL_gun_safe.pdf

I too will be acquiring another safe in the near future for my second home.  Let us know what you find/decide in your choice.  Are you looking for a home safe?  Gun/documents?

[arcticdude]

Rob,
S&G has some neat stuff.  They've got a pin pad/biometric lock that is really slick.  It will operate by pin pad only, fingerprint only or pad & finger print.  I'm looking at something fairly large (40 cuft or larger) for everything- documents, guns, jewelry, etc.  We just added 3 guns a couple of weekends ago and this weekend I'm picking up several rifles/shotguns and a couple more pistols, so I need someplace good to properly store them.  I can't keep all of them cocked and locked on the nightstand!   Besides, for home defense I'm really partial to auto shotguns and auto 45's.  One round from either will put a real hurt on somebody foolish enough to step through the door.  I'm leaning towards the Liberty Presidential 40.  It's got enough capacity to handle what I've got and should expect to get in the relatively foreseeable future AND it will go where I want it to go.  The 50 would be nice, but it's slighty too big for the current house.  I'll add it when I retire to the next house!  Anyway, nothing else out there has the UL listing and the fire protection I think I want.  Some of the others have some neat features, but NONE match the "safety" of the Liberty.

Candy,
I can't burn this place down yet!  Though there have been a few times SHE'S tried!!!  Thanks for the smoke detectors!   Besides, my brother is an attorney- I don't worry about much (except pissing him off!).

arctic

[nixobilly]

Thank God I grew up in Tulsa, OK then moved to the safe city of Houston, TX in '78 and don't have to worry about your issues of living in Mustang, OK! 

If you can't find anything that meets your requirements you can store your stuff in my TH here!

Cheers,

Mark

[RJ749]

Arcticdude, thanks for the info, I have the Liberty distributor in our town and I talked with him at the recent sportsman show here.

Those do look like nice safes and he was pointing out a lot of their features. 

A State patrolman's kid and two buddies got into the home safe and took/stole six guns to sell at high school.  All three are in jail as we speak.  While the kid evidently knew where the combo was, the biometric lock would have been a failsafe in this case.  I haven't been one for the pads from an aesthetic point of view but maybe I need to get over that.  Besides, I could never get to a gun in time to do anything if I had them all in the safe with the 4x tumbler.

I most likely will go 50 at the new house, lots of room and lots of things to go in the safe too.

[cigarmike]

Buy the new MoCo CVO safe, it may have paint issues, and overheated hinges in a fire, and the lock mechanism may need replacement in the first 5000 miles, but they have a warranty policy, and factory reps, and a customer care dept., staffed with 300 MoCo employees, looking out for your best interests, ........oh wait, scratch that, maybe it's best not to buy a MoCo safe, in a fire, you may void your waranty by putting aftermarket valuables in it. .

[RJ749]

Buy the new MoCo CVO safe, it may have paint issues, and overheated hinges in a fire, and the lock mechanism may need replacement in the first 5000 miles, but they have a warranty policy, and factory reps, and a customer care dept., staffed with 300 MoCo employees, looking out for your best interests, ........oh wait, scratch that, maybe it's best not to buy a MoCo safe, in a fire, you may void your waranty by putting aftermarket valuables in it. .

All kidding aside, Liberty is the marketer of the HD safe.

http://www.libertysafe.com/Safe_HD%2033.lasso

[JCZ]

Well I can tell you that the ceiling temperature of a free burning room is at or about 2000 degrees. The average temp of the room is closing in on 1000 degrees. Now a bunch of stuff comes into play. Has it been vented? Are the windows intact has it burned through the roof? These factors will come into play into the actual room temps.

Hope this helps

Be Safe

THE DAWG

What the house is made of (wood vs. brick?) will have a marked affect, too.  But looking at fire rated safes, he's probably looking at worse case scenario.

I'd be interested in seeing what comes out of this research..........for the same reasons.  I have to buy a larger safe.

[SBB]

What the house is made of (wood vs. brick?) will have a marked affect, too.  But looking at fire rated safes, he's probably looking at worse case scenario.

I'd be interested in seeing what comes out of this research..........for the same reasons.  I have to buy a larger safe.

JC

Buy another bike instead of hording that play money in a safe.
Worked for me and with Nancy working for Wachovia access is no problem!

 

[DCFIREMANN]

ARTIC sorry for taking so long getting back to you on this subject. This long distance thing and getting ready to move thing is killing us both.

If the room is in free burn and the windows pop. You still have a great amount of heat in the room. The added amount of O2 only fuels the fire. It will get hotter before it starts to cool down. The ceiling temps will remain constant. Once the fuel is used up it will start to cool down or burn itself out. Unless someone like yours truly shows up and places about 100 to 250 GPM on the fire in a nice 30 degree fog pattern.

Most of your well built gun safes have a 2 hour fire rating. That is more than enough for the average homeowner.

JC just to make a point, it really doesn't matter if the house is ordinary construction of masonry construction when the heat is on. The masonry or concrete structure will just hold the heat much longer after the fire is out and make overhaul a living hell!

Be Safe

THE DAWG