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[cigarmike]

Also, the guy I spoke with yesterday at the STEALER told me to NOT believe everything I read on the internet forums because the information is usually wrong. He also denied that the 110 engines have been having heat related problems in stock form and doesn't know why they would. He also had nothing nice to say about Zippers products after I told him where I was getting the cam 

So I guess CVO owners on these forums are planning a conspiracy to sabotoge the reputation of the new 110 powerplant and are fabricating the problems they have been posting. WHAT A JOKE !!!!
Sorry about the rant !!!

Copout, I actually had a MoCo factory rep, to my face , tell me the same chit about the bad paint on the '06's, so yea, Im sure all the guys here, who got their paint replaced are all lieing and /or was all in my mind? If I were you, Id not believe a word that MoCo says. period, I have seen and experience their flat out lies and smoke screens personally many times now. In CVOHARLEY.com we trust.

[hd-dude]

Maybe talk to hd-dude?, he has put in a few cams, with adjustable push rods,  including mine, didnt take that long, it was a little scary watching him pull out a big azz pair of bolt cutters and heading towards my bike, I was thinking WTF !!! lol. it only hurt for a second. Why tear apart the top of the motor unless you think you actually have a clearance problem?, I also saw the chunks of the cam chain tensioners floating around when he got into the enigine. I'd go with gear drive now no matter what after seeing that. GL with how ever you do it.

Exactly right! The 103 motors never had any issues with clearance from stock springs. When using a "bolt-in" cam like the 575 or FCC products there is no reason to pull them. On other builds when you are running higher lift cams you do need to verify clearance.

On the 110's with known clearance issues I would never do a cam without checking the clearances in the rockers.

[Ghost Rider]

I apologize in advance for bringing up the w*****ty word, but why should there be any discussion about CO paying for having the rocker boxes repaired if there is a clearance issue.  This is a brand new bike!  You take the thing to the service department, you tell them there is noise in the rocker boxes and you want them to check for any clearance issues.  They open her up, find the issue and fix it (under w*****ty), or they find nothing.  Isn't that why they have the word "service" in their name.

 

I don't mean to rant, but I am so sick and tired of my bike, and some of your bikes, spending more time in a service bay, than on the road.  And it really p***es me off to hear about money grubbing dealerships squeezing us for even more money when we've already made them too much money.

I need a beer!   

Ghost

[Hoist!]

I apologize in advance for bringing up the w*****ty word, but why should there be any discussion about CO paying for having the rocker boxes repaired if there is a clearance issue.  This is a brand new bike!  You take the thing to the service department, you tell them there is noise in the rocker boxes and you want them to check for any clearance issues.  They open her up, find the issue and fix it (under w*****ty), or they find nothing.  Isn't that why they have the word "service" in their name.

 

I don't mean to rant, but I am so sick and tired of my bike, and some of your bikes, spending more time in a service bay, than on the road.  And it really p***es me off to hear about money grubbing dealerships squeezing us for even more money when we've already made them too much money.

I need a beer!   

Ghost

See what you started Travis! Maybe our days in the shop, more than they're out of the shop, are behind us. And just in time for the weather too. My bike's running great right now. All it has to do now is stay that way! Hoist!

[Twolanerider]

Exactly right! The 103 motors never had any issues with clearance from stock springs. When using a "bolt-in" cam like the 575 or FCC products there is no reason to pull them. On other builds when you are running higher lift cams you do need to verify clearance.

On the 110's with known clearance issues I would never do a cam without checking the clearances in the rockers.

Why?  Just to be sure.

Granted, I was replacing the rocker boxes with better looking pieces anyway.  But, on my own for just the one job, I'd have done it anyway.  By the way, claying them up, when just the 575s were done, the closest point was about 1/32".  That happened to be in an area where the casting wasn't completely clean.  It was an area that I could easily see varying from one casting to another.  It was certainly clearance.  But it was a little less than I expected to find.

[Hoist!]

Why?  Just to be sure.

Granted, I was replacing the rocker boxes with better looking pieces anyway.  But, on my own for just the one job, I'd have done it anyway.  By the way, claying them up, when just the 575s were done, the closest point was about 1/32".  That happened to be in an area where the casting wasn't completely clean.  It was an area that I could easily see varying from one casting to another.  It was certainly clearance.  But it was a little less than I expected to find.

You'll only know that if you check it and like Jim said, I'd never consider doing cams on a 110" without checking this! Hoist

[Twolanerider]

You'll only know that if you check it and like Jim said, I'd never consider doing cams on a 110" without checking this! Hoist

I guess the difference is that I'd never consider changing cams and valve train geometry, especially when using parts I'd not used before, without checking it on any motor.

On the 110 from what we've read here it's an absolute; or it should be.  Even in stock form for many.  But given the relatively small amount of clearance there was on mine, for example, I was certainly glad I'd checked it.  There was also a LOT of material in the close area that could be relieved without harm of any kind.

[copout221]

 I went to my primary dealer today and showed the tech who will be working on my bike the new cams and pushrods from Zippers. As soon as he looked at the pushrods he said "I cannot put those in unless I pull the top end." I asked him how much more labor it would be and he said the entire job should be no more than 7 hrs. HOWEVER, he did agree that if there is an obvious clearance issue (before the new cam) observed after removing the rocker covers it should be covered under Wa....ty and I should save some money on labor and gaskets. He said he would have to call tech to find out what they want done to correct the clearance issue.

 So I proceeded to discuss the issue with the G.M of the dealership who said he would do the entire job for six hours if there is no clearance Wa....ty issues. He did this because I just referred ANOTHER friend to him who closed a deal on a Heritage today.

Bottom Line: Get the bike in and let them tear it apart to find out what will be involved. I am just in a holding pattern right now until May 14th!!!

[Ghost Rider]

See what you started Travis! Maybe our days in the shop, more than they're out of the shop, are behind us. And just in time for the weather too. My bike's running great right now. All it has to do now is stay that way! Hoist!

I hope your right Howie.  I've been sitting here all day waiting on the dealer to call me and let me know how long they'll be holding Raquel (thats what I've named her) this time.  Its just very frustrating to be sitting here on another nice weekend without anything to ride by my wife's sporty.  And she makes me ride bitch.  Man thats embarrasing!!   

Later,
Ghost

[Hoist!]

I hope your right Howie.  I've been sitting here all day waiting on the dealer to call me and let me know how long they'll be holding Raquel (thats what I've named her) this time.  Its just very frustrating to be sitting here on another nice weekend without anything to ride by my wife's sporty.  And she makes me ride bitch.  Man thats embarrasing!!   

Later,
Ghost

Ouch Travis!!! That should be enough motivation for your dealer to get you finished. Unless, that is, he doesn't like you! Hoist!

[erniezap]

I hope your right Howie.  I've been sitting here all day waiting on the dealer to call me and let me know how long they'll be holding Raquel (thats what I've named her) this time.  Its just very frustrating to be sitting here on another nice weekend without anything to ride by my wife's sporty.  And she makes me ride bitch.  Man thats embarrasing!!   

Later,
Ghost

 

[Ghost Rider]

Ouch Travis!!! That should be enough motivation for your dealer to get you finished. Unless, that is, he doesn't like you! Hoist!

Trust me, they should be sick and tired of hearing me bitch about it.  You feel like your stuck in a no win situation.  You don't push them and the bike just sits there, you push them too hard and they slap the thing back together just to get it out the door and shut you up.  Whats a guy to do? 

Trust me earnie, a guy my size riding bitch on a hugger is something nobody wants to see.  Nobody!

[Twolanerider]

Travis, what's going on with CC and the Road King?  Based on what you'd said before I was so hoping they'd gotten away from one of their worst old habits of just never getting stuff right enough or quick enough to actually have it done.  When the shop was that way before the only way I could get both a job completed and know it wouldn't be just thrown together was to go to Scott.  Sucked to have to do it.   But when they were at their worst that was the only way to get a response out of the shop.

[SPIDERMAN]

Not knowing the 110 and how it differs from the 103, the main reason that us 103 people went with gear drive is to eliminate the cam chain tensioner failures that were happening regularly

Performance and noise issues too Ernie

B B

[Twolanerider]

Okay, here's what I got.

I put on Rinehart TDs with quiet baffles, SERT, SE251 cams, and big sucker A/C.

119 and 123.  Nice.  And 100/100 by 2800-ish with all in still in the pass-a-truck range.  Got to be fun to ride  .