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[MObe]

I just found out a few days ago that the moco makes the stealth grips in a heated version. All of the moco grips state that they are not for use with internally wired bars, like ours. Why?
 I have had several people tell me that it has something to do with getting the wires too hot and melting them. I don't buy this. If that was true wouldn't it melt the wire insulation in the grip interconnector wire that runs through the handlebar?
 I was planning to put the heated grips on and run power to them through an additional accessory switch in the blank switch spot on the switch panel.
 Can somebody please enlighten me on this?

[mfgreen]

I just found out a few days ago that the moco makes the stealth grips in a heated version. All of the moco grips state that they are not for use with internally wired bars, like ours. Why?
  I have had several people tell me that it has something to do with getting the wires too hot and melting them. I don't buy this. If that was true wouldn't it melt the wire insulation in the grip interconnector wire that runs through the handlebar?
  I was planning to put the heated grips on and run power to them through an additional accessory switch in the blank switch spot on the switch panel.
  Can somebody please enlighten me on this?

The information that I was given was:  The wiring on heated handgrips is resistance wiring..... when a certain level of current is demanded by an appliance for heat with this type of wiring.... the wiring needs ventilation to cool.... in a closed envirionment( the handlebars) with additional wiring inside that space, the cooling is not adequate, thus generating additional heat........ with this happening the demand level rises and the efficiency goes down....the operator turns up the temp and additional heat (electricity) is called for......eventually this causes enough degradation of the circuit and the heated grips are "burnt out".  Sounds like a similar explanation to the one that you received, mobe.  Can't tell if the explanation has an iota of truth. .....although, I was shown several examples of the burnt out grips along with the explanation.
Mike

[MObe]

What bothers me is that even if these are instaled on a non - internally wired handlebar, the wire that connects the two grips together is still inside the handlebar. The only wire that is outside the handlebar is the power lead.

[PCC]

In all of the installations I have seen, all the wires run outside the bars. Additionally, the installation instructions confirm this. Not sure where you're getting that info.

[MObe]

 I installed a set on my 2003 Heritage. There is absolutely one wire that goes from the left handgrip, through the bars to the right handgrip, and has to be threaded through the bars, ( I remember 'cause it was a bitch to thread it through!). The wires from the left handgrip, (the one with the temp. control), are the ones that feed through the bars to the right handgrip and supply the power to the right handgrip. The 12v power wires for the left handgrip run on the outside of the bars.
 If that is incorrect, then I installed them wrong. But they worked great for 2 years that way!

[mackcr]

I had the heated hand grips intalled on my 03 SERK when it was new. They burned out in less than six months.  The dealer put on a second set that lasted the same amount of time. I did not go for a third try, instead I invested is some good gloves.

[JR]

I'm investing in some heated gloves, socks, and jacket liner. They last alot longer and not as much hassle to install! LOL [smiley=laugh.gif] Ofcourse my bike is comming right in the middle of winter and don't believe I can look at it for a couple of months. [smiley=1syellow1.gif]    JR  [smiley=beerchug.gif]

[reo]

I had the dealer install the heated alleron grips on my sefb they did run all the wires inside the bars, I thought they were going to run the wires externally because I knew it was a tight fit. I didnt even see the installation paper because I had them install the grips to get them included in the 7yr warranty on the bike.

The heated grips I have had over the years on all my snowmobiles and my BMW have been very reliable with just one failer on a snowmobile but all these were run with the wires fed externally.

Hope the installation manuall is wrong but I do have the warranty thank god.

[Darrellh]

I have the H/D heated grips installed on my SEEG with all wiring run inside the bars.  Had the same set up on an Ultra that I had for a year before purchasing the SEEG.  Have never had any problems on either bike.  The left grip had to be modified slightly for the internal wiring and there needs to be enough slack in the wiring and enough room in the bars to be able to pull the wiring back through if you ever needed to remove the grip later.

[lameduck]

Still a long way off for delivery of my yellow seeg but some nice riding days still here so I went to the dealer to check on a set of heated grips for my dyna. After just spending 400 on a heated jacket I coudn't bring myself to spend another 350 on grips so I went to a local motorcycle shop that specializes in Harleys and asked if they had heated grips that might be cheaper. Ted, the owner and head parts guy gives me an in bar heater that you use with your grips for 80 bucks tax included. That night opened a bottle and a tool box and installed them. Took about 2 hours, the wiring runs through the bars to the middle where you drill a hole and feed the wires through, connect them to a switch there or in my case run a wire back to the battery and put the hi low switch under my seat on the right side. Changed that after the first ride to the left side as it was a pain adjusting it maintaining a steady speed. They work great, get plenty hot and even low can be a little hot after a while and they're cheap enough that I'll probably just buy another set when the long winter is over and the new bike arrives. Cheers!

[tmo465]

The stealth heated grips can be installed on the SE Electragildes,  I just finished mine a few days ago and they work great!!!   I had to cut the connector off of the right grip, splice on 20 inches of wire....pull the wires thru, then solder the connector back on and heat shrink the solder joints.  You may be able to get the wires thru with the original connector, but its tight,,,real tight and I didnt want to force the issue.

Tom

[MObe]

Tom;  How did you modify the left grip to get the wires inside the bars?  

[tmo465]

mobe.....I found the best way to install the grips was like i said,,cut the connector off of the end of the wire on the right grip,leaving two or three inches of wire on the connector you just cut off. Add 20 inches or so of new wire, solder and heat shrink the connections, and pull it thru from the right to the left.  Use something like liquid soap to lube the wires.
The hard part is finding something to push thru the bars over, under or around those internally wired switches.   Help the right grip back on the bars, dont just try and pull it on with the wires you are pulling.  One other thing about the wires, one is black, the other is black with a white tracer.  Make sure when you add the wires you know which one is which so you can solder them back properly.

Tp pull the wires, I used something called ny-rod. it can be found in most good hobby shops and is used for control surfaces of model aircraft.   Its maybe 1/8 inch by 36"  and  flexible nylon with a hole all the way thru it.  You need two pieces of it and you connect them together with a short piece of all thread which they will have also.  It will push right thru the bars with no trouble at all. I smoothed the end of the ny-rod with sandpaper so it would not catch on anything.

Once you get the wires thru to the left grip, cut the excess off leaving two inches or so of wire sticking out.  Strip those wires, strip the wires on the connector you cut off, solder everything, black to black, black w/ white tracer to black w/ white tracer, remembering to put the heat shrink on BEFORE you solder.  (dont ask how I know this one)  Then plug your newly soldered connector into the left grip connector.  You will not need the extension wire adapter as you have made up that difference with the wire you just added.

Once you are happy everything is tight and protected, push the wires back into the bars slowly and carefully, feeding the left grip on. then just push it the rest of the way on all the way up to that 4 and 3/4 inch mark they tell you to put on the bars in the instructions.

I used the stealth grips and they give you a super easy way to wire everything up, no cutting or splicing of wires.  You can always use the switched method, but the way the factory does it, its pretty much foolproof and the grips will not heat unless the bike is running.

I also used the ny-rod to pull the wires under the gas tank.  Just take out the rear mounting bolt, the front two bolts and push the ny-rod under the tank to the front of the tank.  It helps to have a helper here to run either the ny-rod or lift the tank slightly.

If you need anything else let me know...

Tom

[MObe]

Tom;  What I am particularly interested inis what modifications you made to the left handgrip to run the power wires inside the handlbars as opposed to outside as designed. Did you drill a hole in the grip or notch the retainer ring?  Thanks....  Mike

[tmo465]

Hi Mike.....the way it is designed,,,the power supply wire has to run on the outside of the left handle bar,  you just tie it to the bar under the switch housing, down and into the fairing, across the faring and tied out of the way, then exiting the right side of the fairing and under the tank.  The wires inside the bars just connect the right grip to the left grip.

It doesnt look bad at all.

Tom