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[hdctss]

Has anybody had their dealer install the screaming eagle race calibration in the screaming eagle catalog which requires free flowing mufflers?  If so how much of a change did it make to the bike?

[Hoist!]

Has anybody had their dealer install the screaming eagle race calibration in the screaming eagle catalog which requires free flowing mufflers?  If so how much of a change did it make to the bike?

What "SE Race Calibration" are you referring to? There are no tuning downloads available for the '07 110's. You can use the SE Race Fueler, which doesn't do much, or use the SE Race Tuner (SERT) to have all parameters of each cylinder properly set up. Otherwise there are aftermarket products for ECM remapping or complete ECM replacement products. Downloads from HD are for earlier engines, but not the 110". Hoist!

[grc]

The attachment is from the most current version of the SE Pro Catalog, and illustrates what hdctss is talking about.  However, unless something has changed since the beginning of the model year, all performance calibrations were to be available only with the SERT and not as a dealer download. 

Jerry

[TimAT]

And just how "Free Flowing" is the exhaust to be? True duals? Just a set of slip-ons? And then what about the air cleaner. Does it require another d/l? Inquiring minds want to know.

Tim

[Unbalanced]

TimAT,

The exhaust they are talking about is pipes that currently come on the FLHT's with a cross over and Screaming Eagle Mufflers.  The map below as it comes from Harley is still lean very lean and if your planning on going with this type of setup you will NEED to make sure you also get a tune when you install the race tuner to get to this map.

If you go with Rineharts / Vance Hines or Other true duals you can use this map as a starting point just make sure the tuner is using race tuner version 4.62 or newer at the time otherwise they will not be able to activate your compression releases.   Version 4.60 has this map in it, but the compression releases do not work with it.

S159MV002-A1.MT6

Comments on the file are:
Cal #84 --  S159MV002-A1.MT6

2007 Touring Exhaust with O2 Sensors

Configuration: 1800 SE A/C & Race Exhaust

Components:
  SE Air Cleaner and Breather Kit P/N 29440-99C
  Race Exhaust

[TimAT]

Thanks for the info! I've been thinking about slip-on mufflers. I know they're running lean so a SERT or something like that is needed. I was just a bit confused. (AGAIN)(STILL).

Tim

[evilroadking]

If you get the free re-calibration done from Harley and all your doing is free flowing intake and exhaust you should be fine with the free flash. The orginal flash from factory is necessary for EPA. The re-flash actually richens fuel mixture to help cool down the engine everyone is complaing about. I have heard the free flash is actually a stage one flash in only works on the 110's because the're already somewhat set up at factor for free flow. I know a few people and they have had no lean problems at all.

Watch your plugs and your tail tips. If you see possible lean mixture issue then addres your map. I think you should be fine with the free flash from Harley though.

[Unbalanced]

I would not repeat would not go to a full stage 1 with just the reflash.   A stage1 = mufflers / open air cleaner.   If you do this you will really run the risk of burning up that 110 motor.   The reflash did add some fuel to richen up the motor and even with that reflash most of the guys are still running to hot.   Do what you will, but I would strongly not recommend doing it without a SERT / Dyno tune or some other fuel management system whatever it is.

[evilroadking]

Hello Unbalanced,,,


First, understand the 07 SE CVO comes from factory to flow quite a bit more then the standard 96 inch and the motor is leaned out to make Mr. EPA happy. The 07 CVO flows better because of the large mufflers and CVO flows slightly better on the intake side. In fact, i've read many articles which claim the 07 CVO flows pretty decent in stock form. Second, after the factory free flash, and this is a stage one flash mind you, motor is now running on the rich side,, why, because the factory is trying to cool down the motor for all of us cry babies that cant stand the heat, and yes I’m one of them. Many wrenches will tell you this is a stage one flash.

The stock 07 CVO exhaust flows better then Screaming Eagles slip-ons the guy wants to add. Ask any HD wrench, they’ll tell you that too. If you’re adding a freer flow exhaust, and even true duals and SE intake, or even a big sucker, the stage one map is your perfect match. 

I’ve got a friend with the 07 CVO Road King with True Dual Bubs with chrome tips and SE intake. His dealer honored the free flash as o.k. for his set up. He just got back from a round trip from Sacramento to Seattle. His plugs are slightly dark charcoal and the chrome tips indicate a little bit of a rich burn. – Personally, I would favor a little leaner burn then what he is getting. He is happy though, says the bike runs good and much cooler too. 

Of course, in all cases, the proof is in the pudding; Read your plugs. If you see a lean condition, then go spend some more money and fix it. My bill is on the table, he is going to be o.k. for what he wants to do.

[REGGAB]

Has anybody had their dealer install the screaming eagle race calibration in the screaming eagle catalog which requires free flowing mufflers?  If so how much of a change did it make to the bike?

Not sure for 07, but it really woke up my 06.  Big time.

[ultrafxr]

What free flash are your guys referring to?  Is that the one the moco came out with for bikes built before first part of November '06 (service bulletin M-1186)?  If so it was supposed to correct problems when you hammered the throttle when running at low rpm - which you should not be doing anyway - "smooth the torque curve in a manner that minimizes high shock loads to the drive train components, which could cause engine damage."

If there is a different flash I'd like to know about it please.  If the above is the one you are referring to then doesn't it sill go very, very lean in closed loop - at idle & light throttle.  My '07 came with that flash (verified by wrench) and it is hot, hot, hot and not running rich as far as I can tell.

[grc]

What free flash are your guys referring to?  Is that the one the moco came out with for bikes built before first part of November '06 (service bulletin M-1186)?  If so it was supposed to correct problems when you hammered the throttle when running at low rpm - which you should not be doing anyway - "smooth the torque curve in a manner that minimizes high shock loads to the drive train components, which could cause engine damage."

If there is a different flash I'd like to know about it please.  If the above is the one you are referring to then doesn't it sill go very, very lean in closed loop - at idle & light throttle.  My '07 came with that flash (verified by wrench) and it is hot, hot, hot and not running rich as far as I can tell.

The "flash" (updated calibration) from the service bulletin supposedly had changes that affected starting as well as low speed "smoothness", but it was not and is not a substitute for proper tuning when modifying the intake and/or exhaust.  As a legal download, it still has to meet EPA regulations and is therefore very lean.  That would be true of any calibration that H-D makes available.  Trust me, they do not want to run afoul of the EPA now that they are enforcing the anti-tampering portion of the law.

Anyone who wants to lower the engine temps, improve the longevity of the engine, and improve power and throttle response will have to eliminate the 14.7:1 A/F in closed loop mode.  As Harry noted, you can accomplish some of this with a SERT, or you can go aftermarket with either the O² sensor eliminators and a PCIII, or convert to a wide band setup like the ThunderMax or Daytona Twin Tech.

Jerry

[ultrafxr]

The "flash" (updated calibration) from the service bulletin supposedly had changes that affected starting as well as low speed "smoothness", but it was not and is not a substitute for proper tuning when modifying the intake and/or exhaust.  As a legal download, it still has to meet EPA regulations and is therefore very lean.  That would be true of any calibration that H-D makes available.  Trust me, they do not want to run afoul of the EPA now that they are enforcing the anti-tampering portion of the law.

Anyone who wants to lower the engine temps, improve the longevity of the engine, and improve power and throttle response will have to eliminate the 14.7:1 A/F in closed loop mode.  As Harry noted, you can accomplish some of this with a SERT, or you can go aftermarket with either the O² sensor eliminators and a PCIII, or convert to a wide band setup like the ThunderMax or Daytona Twin Tech.

Jerry

Jerry, what can you not accomplish with a SERT? 

Thanks,

Jerry

[evilroadking]

Jerry,

I have more then one HD wrench confirm the free flash, for the 110 inch motors only, is indeed basicaly the stage one map and the intent was to cool down the motor. I agree a little more tuning will help out somewhat, but if your doing the minors like the guy that orginaly started this post, that map will work for him and i think he will be happy too. Some of you guys are getting to far out in right field here. Stay on the issue the guy posted. He is not building a supper hot rod here. In fact, if he just did intake, i think he would be better off as the stock exhaust flows better then the legal Screaming Eagle exhaust.

Learn to read your plugs and other indicators of a lean/rich condition, i.e. blue pipes,, black sot at the tail tips, plug conditions, pinging... come on folks, if its free try it, you miight like it, and your wallet tooooo. If you see a proplem, address it. If the bike runs good, ride like hell.

[grc]

Jerry,

I have more then one HD wrench confirm the free flash, for the 110 inch motors only, is indeed basicaly the stage one map and the intent was to cool down the motor. I agree a little more tuning will help out somewhat, but if your doing the minors like the guy that orginaly started this post, that map will work for him and i think he will be happy too. Some of you guys are getting to far out in right field here. Stay on the issue the guy posted. He is not building a supper hot rod here. In fact, if he just did intake, i think he would be better off as the stock exhaust flows better then the legal Screaming Eagle exhaust.

Learn to read your plugs and other indicators of a lean/rich condition, i.e. blue pipes,, black sot at the tail tips, plug conditions, pinging... come on folks, if its free try it, you miight like it, and your wallet tooooo. If you see a proplem, address it. If the bike runs good, ride like hell.

evil,

As was true with the CVO 103's, the 110's come stock with what is considered a stage one calibration due to the higher flow air cleaner and mufflers.  The free "flash" is just an update to the original stock "stage one" calibration. The next step up from stock is the Stage One Race calibration, and that one is not available as a download or free "flash".

You're correct, a stock or nearly stock (different mufflers) bike will run OK without further tuning, due to the closed loop system.  However, the 14.7 AFR dictated by the system is not optimum on an air cooled V-twin for either driveability or engine temperature control/durability.  Does everyone necessarily need optimum?  No, many will no doubt ride their bikes many miles in stock form with no major issues.  However, with the heat issues that have been reported so far on the 110's I think we would be remiss in not explaining the benefits of tuning to a richer AFR when someone poses this type of question.

Jerry