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[Ironhorse]

Mark

He is top shelf.
As far as the nomination for sainthood, that should go to "V".
She's the one that has to live with him.

I agree with you though, no one should have to put up with the B/S you have been thru.

S
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    B

Well lets see what she has to say about that after they get back from their Honey Moon! LOL!!!

[Twolanerider]

Wow,

I am sure dissapointd that Zippers is taking a lot of open flack from some of our members here.  This is a downright shame that this laundry is getting aired openly.  

Rhino,
We completely agree that it's a shame that Zippers lack of response or effort, or lack of quality response or effort to so many generated such a discussion.  Truly unfortunate.

I appreciate you looking it all over.  In the end, however, I see no real suggestions for tuning alternatives.  Too bad.  Was hoping you'd be more help than Kitzmiller had for so long.

[Twolanerider]

I've done another day in 100+ degree heat, this time on my usual 98 Octane gas.  It still pinks (UK word for it!) like there's no tomorrow.

Worse still, it runs WAY too hot.  The slightest delay in traffic, and the engine warning light is on, meaning that the head temp is too high. Way too high.  In a nutshell, this system is not usable in a hot climate as it stands.

All I'm doing on my vacation is worrying about my engine, and NOT because of my epoxy, which is fine.

Jim

Jim, yours is all fresh hardware and software recently supplied and installed.  That's unfortunate you're having this experience, and more so that you're doing do while on your trip.

Fitzmaurice at Zippers had written that the data supplied to them was "good data to work from" so I'm choosing to be optimistic that efforts, once supplied, from them will make a positive difference.  I will be trying their revised map this afternoon and will let you know how it's doing.  Hopefully the problems are as simply corrected as a map revision.  Will let you know how it goes.

You're seeing it with a better grade of fuel than can regularly be had around here too.  91 or 93 as top options at some stations is not uncommon at all.  Your experience at 98 is even more worrisome though.

[Eqcons]

Jim, yours is all fresh hardware and software recently supplied and installed.  That's unfortunate you're having this experience, and more so that you're doing do while on your trip.

Fitzmaurice at Zippers had written that the data supplied to them was "good data to work from" so I'm choosing to be optimistic that efforts, once supplied, from them will make a positive difference.  I will be trying their revised map this afternoon and will let you know how it's doing.  Hopefully the problems are as simply corrected as a map revision.  Will let you know how it goes.

You're seeing it with a better grade of fuel than can regularly be had around here too.  91 or 93 as top options at some stations is not uncommon at all.  Your experience at 98 is even more worrisome though.

It sure is - and it's not slight pinking either, imagine a blacksmith hitting his anvil with a hammer, and you'll get some idea!   We don't get less than 95 Octane here, 98 is less common, but I always use it.  I'm more worried about the engine warning light coming on after 5 minutes of stop-start traffic though.  We really need to see a revised map for my bike too - and my setup is nothing at all uncommon or unusual!

Bottom line - as is, the TMAT is no use for hot weather.

Jim

[ultrafxr]

You're seeing it with a better grade of fuel than can regularly be had around here too.  91 or 93 as top options at some stations is not uncommon at all.  Your experience at 98 is even more worrisome though.

Is their octane rating the same as ours here in the states?

[Twolanerider]

It sure is - and it's not slight pinking either, imagine a blacksmith hitting his anvil with a hammer, and you'll get some idea!   We don't get less than 95 Octane here, 98 is less common, but I always use it.  I'm more worried about the engine warning light coming on after 5 minutes of stop-start traffic though.  We really need to see a revised map for my bike too - and my setup is nothing at all uncommon or unusual!

Bottom line - as is, the TMAT is no use for hot weather.

Jim

Jim, I'm really sorry your trip is being intruded on by this experience.  The detonation noise you describe is much like mine is on hot days too if I were not very very very careful with the throttle.  That you're seeing it on such good fuel is really unfortunate. 

Enjoy the trip otherwise my friend.  Take pictures.  At least one friend here will be trying out a revised map to hopefully give you some insight as to what can be gained there. 

Ride safe,
Don

[Eqcons]

Is their octane rating the same as ours here in the states?

Same worldwide.

[Twolanerider]

Is their octane rating the same as ours here in the states?

Not exactly.  The calculated ratio is just that.  A calculated ratio of iso-octanes.  But in Europe what's displayed on the pump is something called a Research Octane Number.  There's also something called a Motor Octane Number which is a different measure.  In North America what we see on the pumps is supposed to be an average of the RON and the MON. 

If I remember correctly that means our numbers here (for otherwise identical fuel grades) will be about four points lower.  That means if Jim is regularly seeing 98 octane ratings on the pumps he's still seeing better than I can regularly get as it is not uncommon for 91 to be the top available at the regular haunts.

[Eqcons]

Jim, I'm really sorry your trip is being intruded on by this experience.  The detonation noise you describe is much like mine is on hot days too if I were not very very very careful with the throttle.  That you're seeing it on such good fuel is really unfortunate. 

Enjoy the trip otherwise my friend.  Take pictures.  At least one friend here will be trying out a revised map to hopefully give you some insight as to what can be gained there. 

Ride safe,
Don

Thanks Don - look forward to your report!

Jim

[Eqcons]

Not exactly.  The calculated ratio is just that.  A calculated ratio of iso-octanes.  But in Europe what's displayed on the pump is something called a Research Octane Number.  There's also something called a Motor Octane Number which is a different measure.  In North America what we see on the pumps is supposed to be an average of the RON and the MON. 

If I remember correctly that means our numbers here (for otherwise identical fuel grades) will be about four points lower.  That means if Jim is regularly seeing 98 octane ratings on the pumps he's still seeing better than I can regularly get as it is not uncommon for 91 to be the top available at the regular haunts.

I'm humbled and educated!  I knew about RON etc., but thought that the Octane displayed at the pumps (RON in our case) was used globally.

Jim

[Twolanerider]

Same worldwide.

Jim,  the numbers are the same worldwide. MON=MON.  RON=RON. PON=PON.  There are even one or two others I can't think of now.  They are calculations and not just arbitrarily defined volume measures (for example).  The variation in what's displayed at the pump, however, is that different jurisdictions legislatively or administratively decide which or what combination of those calculations is shown. 

[Twolanerider]

I'm humbled and educated!  I knew about RON etc., but thought that the Octane displayed at the pumps (RON in our case) was used globally.

Jim

It really is one of those "distinctions without a difference" thing Jim.  Within large geographic markets the numbers are the same.  So you always know what you're comparing against.  For whatever reason not all large geograhic markets choose to use the same numbers.  Wish they did actually.  Bit it's not a biggie when compared to important things like Paris's incarceration or Brittany's panties.

[ultrafxr]

Not exactly.  The calculated ratio is just that.  A calculated ratio of iso-octanes.  But in Europe what's displayed on the pump is something called a Research Octane Number.  There's also something called a Motor Octane Number which is a different measure.  In North America what we see on the pumps is supposed to be an average of the RON and the MON. 

If I remember correctly that means our numbers here (for otherwise identical fuel grades) will be about four points lower.  That means if Jim is regularly seeing 98 octane ratings on the pumps he's still seeing better than I can regularly get as it is not uncommon for 91 to be the top available at the regular haunts.

Thanks Don.  Knew we used the average of mon & ron here but could not recall (if I ever knew) what the standard in Europe is.  If I recall I think we used to use just one but sometime ago (in the seventies?) we changed and started using the average.  Am I correct?

[Midnight Rider]

Thanks Don.  Knew we used the average of mon & ron here but could not recall (if I ever knew) what the standard in Europe is.  If I recall I think we used to use just one but sometime ago (in the seventies?) we changed and started using the average.  Am I correct?

You are correct, sir.  Used to the the R number, as my Grandaddy owned an Amoco Station for over 25 years, and the "white gas" was then one of the higher numbers...99, if memory serves me.  they changed it in the very early 70's, if I recall.

[Hoist!]

You are correct, sir.  Used to the the R number, as my Grandaddy owned an Amoco Station for over 25 years, and the "white gas" was then one of the higher numbers...99, if memory serves me.  they changed it in the very early 70's, if I recall.

Yeah, and Sunoco had 103 (103 Powered!) back then too! Hoist!