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[hogs]

  Hey guys  I have another post going , Just wondering if someone could help me to tune this Baby to get more that 115-117 mph. out of it now...?

    Goes to about 5200 rpm at 115 -117 mph then in 5 th stays the same  and 6 don`t help any, would like to see 125 mph or better out of it, Not sure how to tweak it with more fuel / timing???

                     Thanks alot..\
                                Chris

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First what type of bike is it?

Do you have a high flow air cleaner

Do you have a race tuner or like item

Do you have a short windshield or the factory tall one

What is the rev limiter set at ?   

If running an ultra are your lowers open ?

Are you sure if running the TMax that you have the right calibration in the speedo ?  such as 42450 for the ultra

Have you advanced the timing or added more fuel ?   

[hogs]

 its a 2007 Street Glide  with the 110 S.E. Kit installed by dealer...

  also has Vance and Hines True Duals  with Rineharts Performance 2 1/4 performance slip ons... S.E. Roller Rocker arms and Lifters... @ S.E. Air filter....

I am using the TMax with auto tune...

 just the short 4 inch windshield

6400 rev limiter.

 speedo I think is set at 42000

I am running the lastest base map off their page for the 110   dated in April of 2007

I have not advance the timing or added any fuel just that base map so far...( info on how to do either of them wd. be nice )

  Thanks for the reply , what ever info ya can give me on this wd. be appreciated a 100 times over...!

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Hogs,

I just looked up the specs on the 07 FLHX unless you have switched out the RIMS on the bike you are running 16" wheels.   The issue is that you have the speedo calibration setup for 17" rims.

On page 5 of the install manual on the left hand side of the page it tells you that 42450 is the correct calibration for 16" rims.

The calibration you have installed is for 17" rims 42000.   

Try changing this and see how you make out.

-harry

[hogs]

 Hi HArry  ,
 sorry about that it is what you said  I had thought it was just 42000,  sorry about that...

 So... having said that can you walk me through on how I can either add more fuel and advance the timing as of to date there is no pinging problems at all....

 Seems it goes to 5100   /  5200  revs. and won`t rev any higher than that in 4 5  or 6  just maintains that speed of around 115/117 moh....

     1,2,3  goes right on to 6000 plus rpms nice and smooth and quick  but 4th goes to around 5200  and I can`t get more out of it either in revs. or speed and upshifting to 5 or 6  does not help...

  Thanks buddy..
    Chris

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Chris,

You need to address why it is not going past 5200 rpm. 4th gear should not be doing this with the rev limit you say you have unless your gearing is setup wrong in the ecm then it could be your at the top end.

Adding and subtracting fuel is not hard, but in this case I doubt it is the resolution to your problem.   

take a screenshot of your setup page and upload the screenshot here in JPEG form or you can email it to me in bmp format at cvoseeg@bellsouth.net

If it is just a rev limit issue maybe its the unit if you have the calibration setup correctly.   I would not go changing a bunch of items and start chasing your tail.   I would go in and check that you have the calibration set to 42450 and if you do then my next thing to tell you is to make the call to Zippers.

I have outlined how you check out your calibration take a look below at the screenshot.

-harry

[hogs]

  Thanks Harry,
  I am not at the bike or the laptop at the moment and I really not sure how to do that screen shot as u say or to even copy that page and email it to ya, .. Are you saying that if 1,2,3, goes to 6000 plus, then there's no reason why 4,5, should not keep climbing up there as well... 

  I did have another Custom map in it before made up from a 96 inch.. but there was timing retard on that one and more fuel added for some reason   and that was causing alot of surging and could only get that map install to take the bike to 110 mph. tops atleast with this base map it now goes to 115 or so  and No surging nice and smooth as well... Plugs before with the 96 were ghost white  now with this map they have darken up abit  but still I think just a tad white....

  Perhaps having these 2 1/4 inch performance rinehart slip ons  is causing abit of the plm from that base 110 map, Just wonder IF that auto tune will make it up with the bigger mufflers..

 BTW  how long does one have to drive it for the auto tune to do its thing...

 also was under the understanding that if the base map was not close enough  that the auto tuner could not get it close enough, and one has to get it dialed in first pretty close?
 Thanks again....
                  Chris

[hogs]

  BTW  Harry IF my speedo is set at what the screen shot says  42000 and not 42450 as it should be  What should I do just Hit read basic settings when linked up and if it says 42000 change it there,  IS there anything else I should check on that basic settings and change , then after that just hit Write Basic settings while still linked up and then close the link and go for a ride.. or do I have to shut the bike off and cycle the ing. 3 times again or not needed?\\   

                     Thanks Chris

BTW... After I write the new  base settings to the ecm  should I save this map and rewrite the map that was in it, or just how do I go about to do that? I wd. always like to have the map that was in it at the time before I make changes, so In case I wnt to go back to it I can...

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How to take a screenshot:
 
first off to copy the screeen you need to hit print screen key then go to Start then / programs / accessories open up the program called paint.

Once in paint hold down the control key then hit the letter V that will paste the file into paint.   Then go to the pull down menu under the word file and click on it then go down until you see the save as < click on save as >.   in the box name the file and save as JPG file.   Make sure you save the file to your C drive or your my documents folder so you can find it to upload to the site or email to me in any case.   

As far as the rineharts go they are not the problem at this point they are just a mod on the bike and would not limit the air flow on your motor to stop you from getting past 5200 rpm.

open up the manual you got with the thundermax and go to step 3 and follow the directions.

all you have to do is click on speedo calibration and make the changes there then write basic settings and it should be done.   but since your really not sure all of what your doing it will be best that you follow the instructions to the letter and redo it to be sure you have not missed any other steps.

If this does not resolve your issue besides calling zippers have it put on a dyno where they can do a sweep in any of your top 4 gears in a controlled environment and see if the tach goes past 5200.   This should only cost you 50 or so bucks to get a run like that done

[hogs]

   After  installing the map and say making the change to the 16 inch wheels etc   how many miles does it take for the auto tune  to make up for any other mods, that are not on the base map from zippers  etc  ... does one just drive it for say 50 miles and all changes to the map should be now done by auto tune, and does one have to ride at a certain rpm etc as some other ecms require or???

            Thanks Chris

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   After  installing the map and say making the change to the 16 inch wheels etc   how many miles does it take for the auto tune  to make up for any other mods, that are not on the base map from zippers  etc  ... does one just drive it for say 50 miles and all changes to the map should be now done by auto tune, and does one have to ride at a certain rpm etc as some other ecms require or???

            Thanks Chris

If you donwload a new Map :

Clear the learned fuel and IAC adjustments
3 ON/OFFs
Reload the firmware
Load the unaltered #393 map
3 ON/OFFs
Link, start bike, let run until temp reaches 289º, OFF/ON

Note :
that this applies only to a new install or when changing base maps. If you're simply reloading the base map you've been using and already done IAC auto in, the correct stops are stored in the map and you should not run it again.

You'll read many informations on the TM/AT here : http://www.v-twinforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93157 (127 pages of exchanges and advises , 2 pages more each days)

Jacques

[hogs]

  Thanks alot,
    So Now say I don`t all that and I want to say advance the timing say 1 deg. for now  right across the whole power curve from idle to redline    could ya tell me how I may do this... Thanks again..
                                     Chris

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Hogs,

So Now say I don`t all that and I want to say advance the timing say 1 deg. for now  right across the whole power curve from idle to redline    could ya tell me how I may do this... Thanks again..
                                     Chris

Say you don't do all that, in my opinion if your here asking for help why wouldn't you do all that.   The first problem is resolving your issue with the Speedo which is what you asked for help with.

Let's say you have completed all that that was suggested to you the next step would be to tell you RTFM.  read the * Manual (installation / setup guide) .  Step 13 in the intial installation guide tells you and explains how to move blocks up and down and the keys associated with them.   Also you can look at hitting F2 key and it will give you the hot key list while in the program.  Take a look at the L command under F2.

You may have to move each block left to right up one independently under Timing vs. Engine speed

If you have done that and something still doesn't make sense than I would suggest reasking the question and letting us know what you have done and what does not make sense to you.   I am all for helping, but if someone is not going to put forth an effort on their own, it makes no sense for me to continue helping because of ==>. 

So Now say I don`t all that

Another choice is to contact Zippers Support,

[Hoist!]

This whole thing only goes to show that the TMAT is just way to complicated for the average layman. If it doesn't work out of the box as advertised which it doesn't, and you have to trial-and-error mess with it, it just ain't worth it! The average HD guy doesn't know computers well enough to keep F'ing with this stupid thing! Nothing beats a really good proper tune! Hoist!

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Hoist,

While I wont disagree or agree with you it is important when you install something like this to follow ALL the directions and yes it is against most males grain to read the instructions and follow them, but this is definitely a case where it must be done.   If your not up to that task than you should be paying someone to do it for you.

There still can be issues, but you must lay a good foundation before you can do any kind of dive into the product.