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[hogs]

    Sorry type mistake  I mean   of course    DONE  all that...

                  Thanks Chris

[SBB]

This whole thing only goes to show that the TMAT is just way to complicated for the average layman. If it doesn't work out of the box as advertised which it doesn't, and you have to trial-and-error mess with it, it just ain't worth it! The average HD guy doesn't know computers well enough to keep F'ing with this stupid thing! Nothing beats a really good proper tune! Hoist!

Hoist

I can take a position, no wallering in that safe gray area for me!
I will agree with you concerning your post above!
Like the song says, "If you don't stand for something then you will fall for anything"
The tmax is to complicated for the average layman.
A plug and play, it is not.
But to express my real point, if Zippers had the decency to follow up on issues that have surfaced from use of their unit none of us would be complaining. None of us are perfect, but when you put a product on the market and do not stand behind it then you deserve the heat that's thrown your way.
JMHO!

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[Unbalanced]

Chris,

Fair enough on the typo ~ 

Did changing the calibration to 42450 make any difference in the tach / speedometer?  I would not go changing anything before you resolve that issue. 

As far as the timing goes -->  How to:

 All you will need to do on the timing portion is just raise each box up 1 across the entire page as I started to show you in the attachment below then save the map with whatever name you want then load that map backup to your bike and you will have accomplished raising the timing across the board 1 unit.   The yellow box indicates where it was.  so go click on the next blue box left to right and move it up one with your up arrow key then click onto the next blue box to the right and so it goes.

[hogs]

  Thanks for that info... Will be changing the tire size first before playing with the timing etc...

   Will give that a try tonight I hope...Perhaps that may wake it up oh btw   page 5     BAse settings Fianl drive rato =    and Gear 6 min.tps   after linking up is there anything special to put in these  spaces or once I link up they will be filled in from the base map?

  Thanks Chris

[Rhino]

Alright Boyz,

Hoist, and SB, what is wrong with the both of you anyway.   The TMAX couldn't be simpler for an average human, so what are you guys saying? It's complicated?  Na, didn't think so.     Try messin with a SERT and that will be the tough one.   And for all of you up PA way, you can go yell at Zippers in Gettysburg, PA bikefest, this weekend, and the following weekend in Carlisle, PA. Get your place in line, I hear they are scheduled to do about 55 installs of the TMAX already.

But anyway, I find the most complicated part is getting people to read the manual. Or, go to a Certified Zippers Installation Facility. Or Harry's house.

Rhino

[Hoist!]

Alright Boyz,

Hoist, and SB, what is wrong with the both of you anyway.   The TMAX couldn't be simpler for an average human, so what are you guys saying? It's complicated?  Na, didn't think so.     Try messin with a SERT and that will be the tough one.   And for all of you up PA way, you can go yell at Zippers in Gettysburg, PA bikefest, this weekend, and the following weekend in Carlisle, PA. Get your place in line, I hear they are scheduled to do about 55 installs of the TMAX already.

But anyway, I find the most complicated part is getting people to read the manual. Or, go to a Certified Zippers Installation Facility. Or Harry's house.

Rhino

If I can take my bike to an extremely qualified tuner, have it setup properly, and never think about it, that's all I want. I'm not learning a Manual or going to Training School for an ECM. The PC and SERT are usually brought to an expert tuner (if you're smart) for proper installation, setup and tuning. Then you forget it until you make more engine mods. TMAT should be initially setup the same. Except there are too few expert TMAT tuners out there. The average guy doesn't want to mess with this themselves. They'll gladly pay to have the bike run right. Finding the right tuner is more important than which one of these products you use! Hoist!

[Rhino]

No NO NO No NO!,

You jus don't understand....  IF your bike has components that MATCH a TMAX map, then it is just a matter of installing it.  Zip spent major time and $$ to make many perfecto maps. The tuning problem only arises when you elect to do a build that is NOT in their map library.  Then you have to start from scratch, or, take an existing map and tweak it.  It is easy, and yes, I know a few,...just a few, that have had some issues.. so, do I have to come up there and beat you over the head?  At 75% throttle??   If so, I'll stop by AJ's too and wack him at 50%. And yes, the vision is returning, and so is my attitude... And until I blow up my bike with the TMAX being the reason, I will support them heartily. Just because I can read. 

Rhino(juskiddingwhatireallymeantis65%)yukyuk.

If I can take my bike to an extremely qualified tuner, have it setup properly, and never think about it, that's all I want. I'm not learning a Manual or going to Training School for an ECM. The PC and SERT are usually brought to an expert tuner (if you're smart) for proper installation, setup and tuning. Then you forget it until you make more engine mods. TMAT should be initially setup the same.

[Hoist!]

No NO NO No NO!,

You jus don't understand....  IF your bike has components that MATCH a TMAX map, then it is just a matter of installing it.  Zip spent major time and $$ to make many perfecto maps. The tuning problem only arises when you elect to do a build that is NOT in their map library.  Then you have to start from scratch, or, take an existing map and tweak it.  It is easy, and yes, I know a few,...just a few, that have had some issues.. so, do I have to come up there and beat you over the head?  At 75% throttle??   If so, I'll stop by AJ's too and wack him at 50%. And yes, the vision is returning, and so is my attitude... And until I blow up my bike with the TMAX being the reason, I will support them heartily. Just because I can read. 

Rhino(juskiddingwhatireallymeantis65%)yukyuk.

I'm very happy to see you back to form. Glad to hear your eyes are doing better! I'm hoping you'll need a lot more than 75% throttle, even with the TMAT, when you get here though! I'm looking to see what some careful planning and good manual tuning gets me! Hoist!

[Unbalanced]

Ohh no Ronnie can see now, look out ~   

Although I must say I was appauled at Ronnie for picking on AJ while he was 2 up, just wasn't right. 

Sorry AJ its the only excuse I could come up with for you its been a slow week, just to bad I didn't cut and paste it before the run was over I hate to disappoint some people you know.

[SBB]

Alright Boyz,

Hoist, and SB, what is wrong with the both of you anyway.    The TMAX couldn't be simpler for an average human, so what are you guys saying? It's complicated?  Na, didn't think so.     Try messin with a SERT and that will be the tough one.   And for all of you up PA way, you can go yell at Zippers in Gettysburg, PA bikefest, this weekend, and the following weekend in Carlisle, PA. Get your place in line, I hear they are scheduled to do about 55 installs of the TMAX already.

But anyway, I find the most complicated part is getting people to read the manual. Or, go to a Certified Zippers Installation Facility. Or Harry's house.

Rhino

Rhino

What's wrong with me? ? ? ?
Not even the auto tune could figure that out.
But I do appreciate all your efforts with others on this site to help them with their t max.
And I'm glad you can see.
One of these days I will get AJ off all that unreported income and buy some ponies for his bike so you can have some competition. Until then, as long as the lights are not blue in your rear view mirror keep twisting that throttle!

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[Seegarsmkr]

No NO NO No NO!,

You jus don't understand....  IF your bike has components that MATCH a TMAX map, then it is just a matter of installing it. Zip spent major time and $$ to make many perfecto maps. The tuning problem only arises when you elect to do a build that is NOT in their map library.  Then you have to start from scratch, or, take an existing map and tweak it.  It is easy, and yes, I know a few,...just a few, that have had some issues.. so, do I have to come up there and beat you over the head?  At 75% throttle??   If so, I'll stop by AJ's too and wack him at 50%. And yes, the vision is returning, and so is my attitude... And until I blow up my bike with the TMAX being the reason, I will support them heartily. Just because I can read. 

Rhino(juskiddingwhatireallymeantis65%)yukyuk.

That is really the heart of the problem...all of the manufacturers spend tons of $$ and time creating MAPS for all conceivable configurations (hence the J version of the SERT encyclopedia), it is when it is not exact that the problems arise, I agree with Howie if you are computer savvy and have the patience you can use all of them and create your own custom MAP...the SERT will even give you tons of feedback over a half hour ride both numerically and graphically...but aint gunna do it that is why I work; to pay someone else to do it so I can ride.

Seegarz(IFmyaunthadballzshewouldbemyuncle)

[hogs]

  Well  Guys, I have changed the wheel size to the 16 inch, and now it is better , still nice and smooth all the way up in the gears 1,2,3,4,and 5th  goes to 5600 rpms and speed is 119 mph thats it won`t go any higher no matter what, Shift into 6 same thing hangs around the 5500 , 5600 rpms. and maintains the 119 mph...

  I `m sure this should go to atleast 125 mph, if not closer to 127,128 or so , what wd. ya think I could try next to try to get it up to that range and for the rpm`s to go atleast to 6000  RPM`s     rev. limiter is set for 6200...

Thanks in advance..
    Chris

[Unbalanced]

Chris,

Have you verified that your fuel injection butterfly actually opens all the way to be sure your getting FULL use of it?   Have you considered putting it on a dyno to see if its not just something sticking with your tachometer?
Have you run the thundermax in monitor mode and seen that the rpm's could go up past 5600 and your tachometer is jsut not reading it correctly?   Does the Thundermax show any rev limiter hits?  If it does clear them and go for another ride and try and hit the rev limiter and see if it shows any hits.

I was going to suggest putting on your stock ecm, but they came from the factory with a 5800 rpm rev limiter so that won't help.  I would also check to see if your throttle cable is binding anywhere.   Beyond that you might try as a TEST ONLY to set your rev limiter to say 7500 and see if it will go past 5600 just incase there is a glitch there somehow.   if it does go past 6000 I would not try to go any further.   Are you also sure the Thundermax see's the entire length of your throttle cable?
 

[hogs]

Thanks UnBalanced,
  For the quick reply, Sorry I should have mentioned that in the 1,2,3,4 it goes right up to 6000 rpms... and thats where I decide to short shift it from the 6200 rev limit....

I never checked the Butterfly to make sure it does open 100 percent but with just 45600 miles on it I am assuming it does for nw but I will check that....

 No dynos in my neck of the woods so thats not possible...

Monitor mode  nope  have not got to that point and kind of hard to do that with my big old Laptop.. How do I clear the rev. limiter in the warranty section, But I don`t think thats the plm. as it will go all the way up in the other gears...

 checking to see if ThunderMAX  sees the full length of the cable .. once again it does go to 6000 rpms no plms in the other gears...

 anything  else ya think I can try  No pinging plms. here at all..Like I say it sounds good and hauls arse  in the lower gears.. but just seems to hang at the 5500 or 5600 rpms...   before it wd. hang at 51 or 5200 so it is better I guess that may have been because of the wrong wheel size maybe?

  Anything else ya can send my way to try wd. be much appreciated...Thanks

                                                                                          Chris

[Rhino]

Hello Chris,

Well, first of all, I envy you that you have roads that you can maintain 119mph at.  I think that the weight and drag are holding back the speed, it ain't no rocket on the top end.  IF you ever put it on a dyno, your speed would go much higher, easy. But gearing and drag becomes an issue. You are also over the top of the max torque at that rpm, and the HP may be maxed, so from there, it falls off and can't overcome the drag.   
Rhino

  Well  Guys, I have changed the wheel size to the 16 inch, and now it is better , still nice and smooth all the way up in the gears 1,2,3,4,and 5th  goes to 5600 rpms and speed is 119 mph thats it won`t go any higher no matter what, Shift into 6 same thing hangs around the 5500 , 5600 rpms. and maintains the 119 mph...

  Thanks in advance..
    Chris