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[SOKOOLJ]

Settled in on a copper canyon, now just need my brother to find one. The first one he has coming in is a white. Need to see what is on the next production run.

Good Luck!

[LabRat]

Good Luck!

Thanks and then I can feel worthy to post a new introduction with Pics  until then, I'll remain in the shadows, lurking and learning

[Unbalanced]

Labrat,

Excellent summary.  Puts the issue in proper perspective.  ABS will be debated for a long time but what is your concern about the fly by wire throttle control?

My concern is what if the servo goes bad.   I prefer the cable to a possible electrical piece going bad.   Sure cables go bad or can stick, but I would rather deal with that than chasing wires / current / inconsistent ~ random servo problems.   The less I have to rely on the dealer for expertise the better I feel about it.

My other concern is when something will be available to tune the product with and what it will or wont be able to do.

While it maybe cleaner looking, I am just not sold on it on a Harley.   

[q2bruiser]

The biggest difference between HD and the other engine makers out there can be summed up in 3 letters, EPA. The EPA is forcing HD to lean out their bikes to incredibly lean mixtures in order to meet all the emission criteria. The other engine manyfacturers haven't had to do this, yet. HD is between a rock and something even harder, the Federal Government. We yell about hot motors, but the gov't can shut them down. Guess who wins this one?

I'm not sure I agree with this.  The reason I don't is I just moved from a BMW 1200 to an 07 FXDSE.  The beamers have had air/oil cooled twins for years and meet all EPA regs without all the stuff that has to be done to the HDs after the sale.  I do love my SE ... and am putting pipes and a SERT on her in a couple of weeks but my last bmer ran like a scalded dog, ran cool, and was very, very reliable.

The question I have is why doesn't the MOCO put oil coolers on all the bikes?

JKH

[Fired00d]

I'm not sure I agree with this.  The reason I don't is I just moved from a BMW 1200 to an 07 FXDSE.  The beamers have had air/oil cooled twins for years and meet all EPA regs without all the stuff that has to be done to the HDs after the sale.  I do love my SE ... and am putting pipes and a SERT on her in a couple of weeks but my last bmer ran like a scalded dog, ran cool, and was very, very reliable.

The question I have is why doesn't the MOCO put oil coolers on all the bikes?

JKH

No they don't.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[q2bruiser]

No they don't.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

I know ... the question is "WHY" don't they?  It is purely styling related?

[Chief]

I'm not sure I agree with this.  The reason I don't is I just moved from a BMW 1200 to an 07 FXDSE.  The beamers have had air/oil cooled twins for years and meet all EPA regs without all the stuff that has to be done to the HDs after the sale.  I do love my SE ... and am putting pipes and a SERT on her in a couple of weeks but my last bmer ran like a scalded dog, ran cool, and was very, very reliable.

The question I have is why doesn't the MOCO put oil coolers on all the bikes?

JKH

I'll admit to not knowing anything about the workings of the cooling system on the BWMs, but have to believe there is more to that system than there is on the Harleys. The EPA regs got a lot stiffer in 2007 and will tighten another notch in 2010. It appears that HD is having trouble meeting the stricter requirements and still produce bikes true to their heritage.

It's no secret that the HDs are running hotter, and leaner, than ever. The 07s were the first HDs to have O2 sensors in the pipes. These are narrow band sensors used to lean out the mixture even leaner at part throttle cruise. I have heard AFR numbers of over 17:1. I can't substantiate that, but got this from the Service Manager at my local dealer.

Why don't they put oil coolers on all bikes? That's a great question, and one that has been asked since the introduction of the Twin Cam in 1999. I remember a whole lot of complaining back then about how much hotter the TCs were than the Evos. Now that we've gotten used to the standard TC88 heat, we're hearing the same comments about the new motors all over again. I don't know how hot they can crank it up and keep these things alive. Its possible we're finding out now.

When I went to the HD Town Hall Meeting at the Knoxville rally, there was a question posed to the panel on just this topic. Without giving away any future product information, Ron Hutchinson, a big wig in Production, said there will be air cooled Harleys for many years to come.

[Fired00d]

I know ... the question is "WHY" don't they?  It is purely styling related?

Sorry about that I read the question to fast. First thing that comes to mind about them not being on all models is probably $$$. They can offer it as an accessory for those that want them and make more money.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[skreminegul07]

I'm not sure I agree with this.  The reason I don't is I just moved from a BMW 1200 to an 07 FXDSE.  The beamers have had air/oil cooled twins for years and meet all EPA regs without all the stuff that has to be done to the HDs after the sale.  I do love my SE ... and am putting pipes and a SERT on her in a couple of weeks but my last bmer ran like a scalded dog, ran cool, and was very, very reliable.

The question I have is why doesn't the MOCO put oil coolers on all the bikes?
JKH

Yes they do.  My 2007 SERK came with a factory installed oil cooler with a 200 degree thermostat.  I'm not sure about the SEUC.

[Chief]

Yes they do.  My 2007 SERK came with a factory installed oil cooler with a 200 degree thermostat.  I'm not sure about the SEUC.

They come on the SERKs and FLHTCUSEs, but not general production bikes. I'm not sure about the other CVO models either.

[Rides2007Harley]

They come on the SERKs and FLHTCUSEs, but not general production bikes. I'm not sure about the other CVO models either.

I know my 07 FXDSE did not come with an oil cooler and I don't believe the Springer does either.

[skreminegul07]

I know my 07 FXDSE did not come with an oil cooler and I don't believe the Springer does either.

Having and oil cooler makes you feel worse about these motors, running 260 degrees with an oil cooler is horrible.

[Rides2007Harley]

I can't verify this because I have never taken temp readings of my bikes but it doesn't seem like my 07 FXDSE runs any hotter than my stock 05 Ultra.  I have the SERT and pipes on the Dyna and also on my Ultra.

I could be totally out in left field here.  The Dyna got much warmer when it was new and stock but the SERT seemed to cool it down drastically.

[Hoist!]

These oil coolers basically don't do crap! Cooling 4 oz of oil at a time doesn't help much. HD's are purely Air-Cooled engines. Other engines are air-cooled AND oil cooled. Separate oil circuit is used for engine cooling. Ours is purely for lubrication. The coolers try to help keep the oil in range, a mighty task on these 110's! But the oil does nothing to help cool the engines!

Hoist!