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[Unbalanced]

Well my compression releases have never worked since I put the race tuner in which was done by the dealer at the same time I put on the A/C and Rineharts.   Since then the tunes were never successful in getting the compression releases to work.   I kept using the map from the dyno's and tweaking on it and well that was a bad idea as well as it was based off the 4.50 software that came with my race tuner.

I have finally figured out WTF was wrong.   The dealer had 4.50 on the computer then installed 4.62 over the top of it.   How do I know this, that is because they had 4.50 icons and 4.62 icons on the desktop.   I tested this at home and sure enough I was able to reproduce it.   Why is that important.   Well it is important because you MUST uninstall older version fully before you install new versions.   What I did was after they replaced my front ACR they reinstalled the base map from the digital tech and both my compression releases worked.   This got me thinking of why in the hell isnt the race tuner allowing it work.   I pondered it a while and remembered reading you had to uninstall as a label warning inside my CD jacket.  Well actually I checked all the docs / pdf's first and then realized it. 

So having realized this I went ahead and uninstalled all Screaming Eagle Software on my laptop.   Then I rebooted it to be sure no cache was out there.   Then I installed 4.62.   Then I took the map 84 map and my old 4.50 based map and copied the tables from the old map into a new 4.62 base map and loaded it this morning into my bike at the dealer.   Wahla no more starter kickback.   

They were considering that I might need a new ECM or at best a new SERT.   It didn't get that far and now the bike starts every time with no banging.

Hopefully this helps someone else or helps you to help your Stealer.

If you have any questions on it let me know,

-harry

[Seegarsmkr]

UnB,
Since you prolly saved countless people lots of $$ and obvious aggravation, as well as help your stealers reputation...did you get duelly recompensed for resolving their continued FCK-UPS?!!!  I know the answer but it is a shame that we don't recognize when someone does an awesome job that can help us in our business life, eh?

Seegarz

[Unbalanced]

Seegarz,
 
Thanks for the nice words, but I can't say it was anything other than a bad experience , there were other factors such as EGO and a break down in the communication from the SM to the shop, that turned it into a really unpleasant fiasco.   Most of what happened was due to the SM wasn't there on his day off.   They have some internal things to work out, but I left feeling like sh!t and WTF did I bother.   I should have just picked up the bike up and tried my idea at home.

Won't happen again that I can tell you,

[Seegarsmkr]

That is a load of BS...sorry brother.  On the bright side your bike is performing better now and you have another stealer not to bring your bike to...they are adding up faster than the good ones...Y???

Seegarz

[HEADPAN62]

I gat a (bang) right when my bike fires up...out of the primary area..is this the (bang you discribed?)..I have an 01; road glide I converted too carb...did'nt notice this (bang )till I converted...went through 2 starter clutches sinse then....just installed a hi torque starter thinking it was my cure...still starts(but with a bang)

[Unbalanced]

Seegarsmkr,

It is what it is,

I am going to withold a decision until I calm down a bit more.  We will see what the next visit brings, before I make that decision.   I have parts there for the remaining 2 warranty claims I have against my bike.   Heated handgrips / gas level measurement float in the tank.   At empty I have 1 gallon left and at warning light i have 1 3/4 gallons left safe, but annoying as hell if you need to go beyond empty and have no real clue how far to go.  Neither one stops me from riding the bike, so I will just go by there after I get back the end of the week and feel out the situation.

[HEADPAN62]

you get my last post??

[Midnight Rider]

So HD can't get software code written for the largest operating system in the world that will uninstall or write over the old software when installing the new version, yet charge the customer $400 for a friggin' box and a CD?  Unf'ingbelievable...

Glad to see you got the issue figured out, Harry...

[Unbalanced]

HEADPAN,

I gat a (bang) right when my bike fires up...out of the primary area..is this the (bang you discribed?)..I have an 01; road glide I converted too carb...did'nt notice this (bang )till I converted...went through 2 starter clutches sinse then....just installed a hi torque starter thinking it was my cure...still starts(but with a bang)

Doubt it will fix it if anything you might start chewing up more teeth on your ring gear and making it more expensive to fix next go around.   Hope you bought the Harley high torque it spins faster than other after markets.   Sounds like you need to check what your cranking compression is on the bike and possibly look further from there.

Another choice that I forgot about is changing the ring gear and pinion to a different combination we did this on my roadking, it has helped, but I also have Compression Releases on that motor.

-harry

[Unbalanced]

So HD can't get software code written for the largest operating system in the world that will uninstall or write over the old software when installing the new version, yet charge the customer $400 for a friggin' box and a CD?  Unf'ingbelievable...

TCn,

Glad to see you got the issue figured out, Harry...

Thus far 2 days of riding and about a 40 starts on the bike and not a single bang.   I am confident I have it figured out.   I had to set the lashing on the cruise control a few times to get it where I wanted it.   That is why so many extra starts also to test it a few extra times.

One would think they would as part of the install ask you to move your data files that you added elsewhere or what the hell do it for you as a bonus. 
Then Uninstall, Re-install then move the data back in as a seemless operation.  That might be expecting to much I guess. /boggle.

[HEADPAN62]

replaced with the harley (hi torque) starter..as well as the clutch basket(new ring gear) the gear that spins the baskett,,and anything else I could think of...guess some just (bang?)..with it being a carburated  bike i guess it is what it is?? thanks

[tgent103]

UnB,
 
  Thanks for your post, makes a lot of sense. maybe you can help me with this question. I have version 453, do they change any of the settings on the maps( I use # 36 ) on the newer versions. I downloaded versions 462 & 460 and was wondering if I should reinstall the map from one of these versions because I started to hear some detonation recently after riding for about an hour in 90 degree weather.

Thanks
   tgent   

[Unbalanced]

If you had a dyno tune done on your old map I would take the fresh map from 4.62 and copy and paste in your settings to the new map as they added some features from your old version.

If you think you have detonation its a two part process to figure out which way you have to go with the timing.
My guess is you see this detonation when your at low rpm and run up the rpm quickly and at either the beginning of the run that your making you hear the detonation or at about 2850 - 3100 you hear the detonation.

Are you sure the detonation is not due to under timing instead of over timing.   Simple fix is go into your timing tables spark front and rear and remove 2 timing units from the range where you have the problem.   

3000 rpm / X part of throttle x kPa for both cylinders if it goes away then it was to far advanced.   If it gets worse than you should go back to where you were and add 4 back to the numbers in the box that will be baby steps you can add more or take away more, but I would tell you to go SLOWLY.   

If this helps some but not enough you may try doing this and adding a tiny bit of fuel to be sure your not to lean at that point.

Since your version they have added the decell and accell enrichment tables to your model year those are the biggest changes and if you want to use those tables you will need to rebuild your map onto the 4.62 map.

If you get stuck and want help doing that PM me and I will give you an email address to send it to as I am going to be out of town this week and wont have access to my home email liked to this site.

-harry

[tgent103]

harry,

  your correct thats when its happening. I'll try the 462 map first, if it doesn't change I try the changes you suggested. I've never done any changes or built maps before only installed the canned maps. thanks for your help.

tom       

[djkak]

I gat a (bang) right when my bike fires up...out of the primary area..is this the (bang you discribed?)..I have an 01; road glide I converted too carb...did'nt notice this (bang )till I converted...went through 2 starter clutches sinse then....just installed a hi torque starter thinking it was my cure...still starts(but with a bang)

If my brain cells are working correctly, I recall that the cams and primary gearing were different between the carbureted and injected models in 2001. I remember hearing that the EFI machines have broader control of the starting process allowing them to run these different components. If you are running an OEM carb ignition I’ll bet 50 cents that it is calibrated to be used with the carbureted cams and primary gearing.

I recall that issues with starter clutches were much more common on the carbureted machines than the injected bikes. Perhaps an adjustable ignition or compression releases or both would reduce these issues with your machine.

djkak