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[vin-man]

Well it happened to me today, while riding without any warning at all, the engine locked up tight. I was going approx. 55 miles an hour coming up to a red light and I let off the throttle and down shifted into 4th and a loud metallic noise came from the engine and the rear wheel locked up. The engine died and I pulled the clutch in and coasted to a stop. The bike had been running great up to this point only 2500 miles. Aside from some pesky oil leak's the bike was doing great. Tried to restart, the starter just makes a metallic grinding noise. The engine will not turn at all, tried pulling plugs and pushing it and pop the clutch, the wheel will not turn at all. Shes locked up tight. Taking it to the dealer on Monday.     

[Unbalanced]

Vin sorry to hear about your bike, just glad you weren't hurt or injured during the lock up.   Some people aren't so lucky when the motors lock up like  yours did.   Good luck with the dealer and please let us know how it turns out.

-harry

[saddlebow]

What are you riding?  Sorry, WERE you riding?

[Twolanerider]

Don't mean to make light at all of what so many of the 06 guys went through.  But this is worse.  Bad paint would only make you sick to your stomach.  One of these 110s is going to kill someone.

[mr_magoo]

Have heard of a few people getting second degree burns from the heat.  Sorry to hear about the notor, I'm waiting for a new one as well.

[Midnight Rider]

Don't mean to make light at all of what so many of the 06 guys went through.  But this is worse.  Bad paint would only make you sick to your stomach.  One of these 110s is going to kill someone.

You are right, Don...this is the second case of motor lock up I've read about.  Somebody who's had this happen needs to call the MOCO and put the fear of God in them over this.  This is serious chit!!!

[Rhino]

Well it happened to me today, while riding without any warning at all, the engine locked up tight. I was going approx. 55 miles an hour coming up to a red light and I let off the throttle and down shifted into 4th and a loud metallic noise came from the engine and the rear wheel locked up. The engine died and I pulled the clutch in and coasted to a stop. The bike had been running great up to this point only 2500 miles. Aside from some pesky oil leak's the bike was doing great. Tried to restart, the starter just makes a metallic grinding noise. The engine will not turn at all, tried pulling plugs and pushing it and pop the clutch, the wheel will not turn at all. Shes locked up tight. Taking it to the dealer on Monday.     

Those pesky oil leaks are what led to oil pump being trashed, and ultimately no oil P, and lockup.  Sorry to hear, but oil leaks are not always 'normal', and need to be addressed immediately for severity, and what may be going on inside that only show telltales outside.
Rhino

[Twolanerider]

Those pesky oil leaks are what led to oil pump being trashed, and ultimately no oil P, and lockup.  Sorry to hear, but oil leaks are not always 'normal', and need to be addressed immediately for severity, and what may be going on inside that only show telltales outside.
Rhino

Not sure what kind of leakage Rhino might be experiencing.  While the weeps that have been so commonly witnessed from head gaskets or cylinder seals are certainly a mess, definitely a matter of concern and absolutely an issue in and of themselves they are not causing dramatic nor traumatic losses in internal oil pressure nor volume and leading to pump failures. 

So long as someone hasn't let that weep leak so long that you've lost volume they aren't running the engine to starvation.  So it's not a likely concern to put the oil weeps that have been so prevalent against a pump failure.  Even a head gasket that was so fouled up as to somehow hinder return from the top to the bottom would very likely have the engine make itself known in other ways before you shelled an oil pump.

The oil pumps we've heard about were either literally unable to be removed normally because of runout, actually trashed because of runout, or in Dave's case supposedly damaged by debris.  Barring a significant leak through a pressurized internal oil galley, however, the leaks that have been witnessed so regularly so far, while a total pain in the ass, are separate issues from an oil pump failure.

Pesky they may be.  But please don't be too concerned that you caused your engine to lock up and potentially do yourself real harm just because you continued riding it for a bit with the common leaks going on.

[Black Diamond]

V-Man

Sorry to hear about you problem. 

I just read Hoist 110 gave up the ghost on him. 

But my motor just blew up yesterday anyway. So consideration needs to be given to spending good money after bad on these 110's at all!

Hoist!

I'm starting to wonder if I should invested more $$$ in this motor or look for other options. This seems to be a situatiaon where I know information give you pause but not information to make an informed decision. Feels like I'm at work. An 06, hmmmm.

JW

[Rhino]

Not sure what kind of leakage Rhino might be experiencing.                    None.

While the weeps that have been so commonly witnessed from head gaskets or cylinder seals are certainly a mess, definitely a matter of concern and absolutely an issue in and of themselves they are not causing dramatic nor traumatic losses in internal oil pressure nor volume and leading to pump failures.                 Weeping from the base and or head gasket areas in the 110's seem to indicate oil ending up in the cylinder. Due to gasket internally letting oil roll down the dowel holes. Perhaps not everytime, but I have seen this now 6 times on other bikes.  One time on my very own. I was also involved in the diagnosis, and hands on at my dealer too.  Learned some that day. Ask when cylinder is pulled, if a lot of oil was present. This particular scenario is not good for long term pesky definition.

So long as someone hasn't let that weep leak so long that you've lost volume they aren't running the engine to starvation.  So it's not a likely concern to put the oil weeps that have been so prevalent against a pump failure.  Even a head gasket that was so fouled up as to somehow hinder return from the top to the bottom would very likely have the engine make itself known in other ways before you shelled an oil pump.           Not particularily.  If the oil has diluted the fuel in one cyclinder and a complete burn was not done, in this case the rear I think, the front is stressing the motor and it is not running in balance. Will ultimately take out crank further, until failure and pump issue.  If I did not see these things first hand, I would shut up, but so far, the conclusions are what they are.   

The oil pumps we've heard about were either literally unable to be removed normally because of runout, actually trashed because of runout, or in Dave's case supposedly damaged by debris.  Barring a significant leak through a pressurized internal oil galley, however, the leaks that have been witnessed so regularly so far, while a total pain in the ass, are separate issues from an oil pump failure.  Disagree, of course, I have not seen, but that doesn't mean anything in the big picture I guess, I have not seen a trashed oil pump in the new 110's occur without this pesky leaking occuring first.  Of course, some cranks may be getting out of the factory out of tolerance, but Harley insists it is checked, and it occurs after some miles, not from the get go. So something else may be causing it. Go figure.


Pesky they may be.  But please don't be too concerned that you caused your engine to lock up and potentially do yourself real harm just because you continued riding it for a bit with the common leaks going on.   

The symptoms are not readily apparent. You could not know this was imminent V. This is in know way to be construed as this could have been prevented by you. This is not your area, all you want to do is ride and I totally agree.  Harley never said oh, if your engine leaks, it's normal. TwoLane says it perhaps it is. I disagree with him on any new bikes, no leaks are acceptable. There is a difference between a regular weep I think TL is saying, and a weep from critical areas.   Rhino!

[vin-man]

The oil leaks were minor, like the case bolt at the bottom of the v on left side engine, oil pressure sending unit, allen head plugs near oil filter. The oil tank was full at the time, if fact just switched over to mobile 1 v-twin synthetic 200 miles ago. Nothing around the head gasket area at all. Up to now I thought I was one of the lucky ones with no major problems. The bike has always ran great and no heat issues to speak of.

[Twolanerider]

TwoLane says it perhaps it is. I disagree with him on any new bikes, no leaks are acceptable.

No Ron, that's not what Twolane said.  In fact I wrote that the leaks "were definitely a matter of concern and absolutely an issue."  What I did say, quite obviously, was that the all too common leaks, unfortunate though they may be, are not direct in causation to a shelled oil pump.

The gentleman unfortunately dealing with yet another engine issue might have came away with that impression or implication.  On top of a blown engine that was a mistaken concern he need not have been burdened with.  We hear too many horror stories regarding dealers looking for reasons to deny warranty claims rather than looking for reasons to make them right.  Since the response was about him and not about you a bit of reassurance, just in case, was in context.

[Twolanerider]

The oil leaks were minor, like the case bolt at the bottom of the v on left side engine, oil pressure sending unit, allen head plugs near oil filter. The oil tank was full at the time, if fact just switched over to mobile 1 v-twin synthetic 200 miles ago. Nothing around the head gasket area at all. Up to now I thought I was one of the lucky ones with no major problems. The bike has always ran great and no heat issues to speak of.

VIN, it's unfortunate you're having to deal with this man.  That you've got company certainly can't make it any better.  Glad it broke without finding a way to hurt you.  That's the only good thing.  Best of luck that the warranty replacement solution is a final solution and she gives thousands of miles of great riding  .

[vin-man]

Dealer says motor not blown. The starter motor grenaded and parts and pieces jammed ring gear and clutch locking the engine and rear wheel.  After talking with factory rep. there going to replace the stater, ring gear and clutch and everything will be covered under warranty.   

[Unbalanced]

I would ask them to do a runout check for the simple reason if the motor locked up something had to absorb the power and I would want the piece of mind that my lower end was still good.

Glad it is not blown, but concerned why the starter did this.