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Re: 110 Build
« Reply #210 on: September 08, 2008, 03:44:43 PM »

Not to be nosey but what does something like this set you back in $$$$$. I may want to upgrade my 110 in future...
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Re: 110 Build
« Reply #211 on: September 08, 2008, 06:21:52 PM »

Not to be nosey but what does something like this set you back in $$$$$. I may want to upgrade my 110 in future...

I supplied all the labor myself for free!!  Parts were about $6500.00...  Could have done it for a lot less if all I wanted to do was cure the leak - but as long as it was apart, I wanted to improve the performance also...   :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: 110 Build
« Reply #212 on: September 08, 2008, 07:04:24 PM »

I supplied all the labor myself for free!!  Parts were about $6500.00...  Could have done it for a lot less if all I wanted to do was cure the leak - but as long as it was apart, I wanted to improve the performance also...   :2vrolijk_21:

I have the same setup, and did the bottom end and new cases too. Just over $8500 plus labor! You can get a built Jim's 120 crate motor for around 7 grand, plus throttle body! ;)

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Re: 110 Build
« Reply #213 on: September 08, 2008, 07:16:57 PM »

I have the same setup, and did the bottom end and new cases too. Just over $8500 plus labor! You can get a built Jim's 120 crate motor for around 7 grand, plus throttle body! ;)

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Re: 110 Build
« Reply #214 on: September 08, 2008, 07:18:51 PM »

plus labor?

Yep, that's just the engine. ;)

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Re: 110 Build
« Reply #215 on: September 08, 2008, 08:05:19 PM »

My buddy with the 07 Street Glide is having a Hemi Built 117 engine put in his bike and old one coming out.  Going a route like you Howie,
New cases, S&S crank and the works from Hemi.  His engine builder is George Diebler in Lynchburg, Va.  Had him do the
103 when he first got the bike and loved it, but kicking himself for not going big the First time.  He is also adding the chrome
inner primary a and barnett clutch pack.  Costing him $8800 out the door installed.
I am definatley interested in hearing how he likes it especially with my 07 SE Ultra being a slug.
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Re: 110 Build
« Reply #216 on: September 08, 2008, 08:56:45 PM »

Great write-up and follow-up!

What are the compression stats on this build?  I've read through 15 pages of posts twice and I can't seem to find the compression numbers for this build :nixweiss:

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Re: 110 Build
« Reply #217 on: September 08, 2008, 09:03:01 PM »

Great write-up and follow-up!

What are the compression stats on this build?  I've read through 15 pages of posts twice and I can't seem to find the compression numbers for this build :nixweiss:

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Compression Ratio 10.1:1

Corrected Compression Ratio with Cam  9.2:1

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Re: 110 Build
« Reply #218 on: September 08, 2008, 09:19:17 PM »

Compression Ratio 10.1:1

Corrected Compression Ratio with Cam  9.2:1


How did you come up with 10.1 to 1 . I know how to get cranking compression but how do you come with corrected compression Ratio .
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Re: 110 Build
« Reply #219 on: September 08, 2008, 09:24:23 PM »

How did you come up with 10.1 to 1 . I know how to get cranking compression but how do you come with corrected compression Ratio .

The designer of the heads and cams, Wes Brown of Cycle Rama supplied the data.  His terminology was Compression Ratio and Corrected Compression Ratio with Cam.  I don't know the math...   :nixweiss:
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Re: 110 Build
« Reply #220 on: September 08, 2008, 10:09:07 PM »

it's done by using how much of the stroke is left after the intake valve closes...there's some fancy trigonometry involved...a good compression calculator is at rbracing-rsr.com/calculations
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Re: 110 Build
« Reply #221 on: September 08, 2008, 10:14:01 PM »

The designer of the heads and cams, Wes Brown of Cycle Rama supplied the data.  His terminology was Compression Ratio and Corrected Compression Ratio with Cam.  I don't know the math...   :nixweiss:
Guess I'll look in my manuals..... memory not what it use to be.  :confused5:
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Re: 110 Build
« Reply #222 on: September 09, 2008, 08:49:55 AM »

In real basic terms it the number of degrees that the intake valve is open passed top dead center, but other things like the profile of the cam, and the LSA, which has to do with the overlap between the intake and exhaust valves comes into play too. It easiest to use a calculator like skyhook was talking about. Thats why you want to make sure you components work together, so you get the corrected CR right. Here's a comment I received a while back from Mike at Latus in Portland, doesn't really explain how to calculate it, but talks about the affects.

 You are correct in that an earlier intake closing will make more cylinder pressure vs. a later closing with the same mechanical (static) compression. The two magic numbers we shoot for are corrected compression (based on intake closing and static) and cranking pressure (what you would see on a test gauge in the spark plug hole while cranking the motor). Our experience has shown (at least here in Portland, Or.) that corrected pressures above 9.5 when using 91 octane pump fuel cause detonation (pinging) problems in hot summer climes or when traveling. This is something of a personnel tuners/builders preference and others may choose higher or lower numbers base on their experience and area. The cranking pressure seems to be all over the map and is a HUGE function of how it is done and type of gauge used. I use a Snap-on Motorcycle test gauge and based on the numbers it gives, I like to see 195-210 cranking pressure (warm motor [not hot], throttle wide open, good battery/starter speed, spark plug out of opposite cylinder). This gives best torque without pinging for street applications running on pump fuel. Numbers below 170 cranking will produce a lazy torque curve due to lack of cylinder pressure. Lighter bikes can stand slightly higher number and heavily loaded bikes may want slightly less. Actually two measurements of the same thing, one direct (cranking) and the other calculated (corrected). Because of the variables in the cranking test, we prefer to use the calculated method and then confirm with the cranking.

Scott, you did a great job of documenting your build, I may have some questions for you soon. I plan on doing my RK this winter.
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Re: 110 Build
« Reply #223 on: September 10, 2008, 10:45:55 AM »

Compression Ratio 10.1:1

Corrected Compression Ratio with Cam  9.2:1



so you have intake closing at 40*.
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Re: 110 Build
« Reply #224 on: September 10, 2008, 01:10:15 PM »

so you have intake closing at 40*.

The intake opens at 20 and closes at 42...
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