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[RobertinArgyle]

Just recently joined the group here with my 2001 FLRTSEI2.  After reading all the horror stories about cam belt tensioners, I am seriously considering converting to a gear drive cam.  I have been told if you are doing that, why not go with a Headquarters/Zippers/etc kit with cam, heads, pistons for a motor with 100+ torque/hp.  My question is-  would this type of motor build decrease the value of my bike?  In the Ferrari market, almost any mod is viewed in a strongly negative sense (decreasing its value).  These bikes are also limited production and I would like the wisdom of this group concerning this type of motor rebuild.  I have done quite a few bolt on mods to my bike but I have saved all the original parts so at this point the bike could be put back to original condition without trouble other than a bunch of labor...

[Chief]

Just recently joined the group here with my 2001 FLRTSEI2.  After reading all the horror stories about cam belt tensioners, I am seriously considering converting to a gear drive cam.  I have been told if you are doing that, why not go with a Headquarters/Zippers/etc kit with cam, heads, pistons for a motor with 100+ torque/hp.  My question is-  would this type of motor build decrease the value of my bike?  In the Ferrari market, almost any mod is viewed in a strongly negative sense (decreasing its value).  These bikes are also limited production and I would like the wisdom of this group concerning this type of motor rebuild.  I have done quite a few bolt on mods to my bike but I have saved all the original parts so at this point the bike could be put back to original condition without trouble other than a bunch of labor...

Have you had any problems with the tensioners yet? If the bike has run good for six years and you're getting worried, put a new set of tensioners in and go for another six.

It sounds like you're doing pretty good with the tensioners.

Now, if you're looking to wake it up, the sky is the limit.

[Fired00d]

Just recently joined the group here with my 2001 FLRTSEI2.  After reading all the horror stories about cam belt tensioners, I am seriously considering converting to a gear drive cam.  I have been told if you are doing that, why not go with a Headquarters/Zippers/etc kit with cam, heads, pistons for a motor with 100+ torque/hp.  My question is-  would this type of motor build decrease the value of my bike?  In the Ferrari market, almost any mod is viewed in a strongly negative sense (decreasing its value).  These bikes are also limited production and I would like the wisdom of this group concerning this type of motor rebuild.  I have done quite a few bolt on mods to my bike but I have saved all the original parts so at this point the bike could be put back to original condition without trouble other than a bunch of labor...

I would definitely recommend gear drive cams and not worry about the tensioners anymore. If the outward appearance is your main concern talk to some of the shops and see if the can just modify your stock heads/jugs and get more HP/TQ out of them. Then you can have the "Sleeper" motor and retain stock appearance.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d 
 

[110tHunDer]

Robert, welcome to the site and good question.  I think anytime you alter anything from stock you are going to diminish the value of it from a collectibility perspective.  I think it boils down to what your plans are for the bike.  If you are hoping to sell it later and want to get the most you can for it, you're probably better off leaving it stock instead of doing the mods you mentioned.  On the other hand, if you intend to keep it and are looking for more performance out of the bike than what you have, by all means, do the mods and have fun with the bike!  If you plan on putting quite a few miles (say, 30,000+) on the bike and you just want a nice reliable ride without really affecting re-sale value one way or the other, then just do the gear-drive cams.

I have built my SEEG the way I want it with both engine and accessory mods without any concern for re-sale value . . . . . . because I will never sell it.  On the other hand, I don't plan on doing much of anything at all to my recently acquired SERG at this point (regardless of what 'd00d & S/B think ), because I am actually quite pleased with it in stock condition.  Also, the bike has just 15,000 miles on it and it will be lucky to see another 2-3,000 a year, so the tensioners shouldn't be an issue for some time to come.  In other words, I have done and will do what makes sense to me for both bikes with the way I intend to use them in mind.

[nidan]

I agree , with any pre-07 twinkies gear drive cams are a good investment.

I put them in my 02 FXDWG3 and they were great.

As far as how far to go, especially after the Maggie Valley gathering last fall , I'd say go as far as makes you happy. Don't expect to get any mod money back if you sell.

[Fired00d]

Robert, welcome to the site and good question.  I think anytime you alter anything from stock you are going to diminish the value of it from a collectibility perspective.  I think it boils down to what your plans are for the bike.  If you are hoping to sell it later and want to get the most you can for it, you're probably better off leaving it stock instead of doing the mods you mentioned.  On the other hand, if you intend to keep it and are looking for more performance out of the bike than what you have, by all means, do the mods and have fun with the bike!  If plan on putting quite a few miles (say, 30,000+) on the bike you just want a nice reliable ride and not affect re-sale value one way or the other, then just do the gear-drive cams.

I have built my SEEG the way I want it with both engine and accessory mods without any concern for re-sale value . . . . . . because I will never sell it.  On the other hand, I don't plan on doing much of anything at all to my recently acquired SERG at this point (regardless of what 'd00d & S/B think ), because I am actually quite pleased with it in stock condition.  Also, the bike has just 15,000 miles on it and it will be lucky to see another 2-3,000 a year, so the tensioners shouldn't be an issue for some time to come.  In other words, I have done and will do what makes sense to me for both bikes with the way I intend to use them in mind.

Read this post - 103t's SERG Homecoming.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[110tHunDer]

Read this post - 103t's SERG Homecoming.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

Oh, hi Gary.  Does the term "Reply #10" mean anything to you?

[Fired00d]

Oh, hi Gary.  Does the term "Reply #10" mean anything to you?

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[rednectum]

lots of folks will shoot at me for this/ but cvo bikes are no longer collectibles. to answer your question on moderate build.follow this\

http://cripplecreekmc.com/pg1article.htm

we intend to shed some light and dispell some myths!

[RedFXR2]

lots of folks will shoot at me for this/ but cvo bikes are no longer collectibles.

No shots taken here--I agree.  With the *possible* exception of the first year or two, the CVO unit has produced far too many bikes for any of them to be deemed collectible.  Now, if somebody wants to go buy a new one and seal it in a bubble with 2 miles showing for about fifty years, then it might be worth something as a collectible.  And this would apply to darn near any other motorcycle (or car, or truck), CVO or whatever.  But you could make far better fifty year investments with your $30K+.

They're really just a top of the line option package--nothing special or different from main production line models, design-wise.  if that's what you want, go for it, do what you want with it and enjoy it.  But forget all this "collectible classic" stuff.

[Hoist!]

No shots taken here--I agree.  With the *possible* exception of the first year or two, the CVO unit has produced far too many bikes for any of them to be deemed collectible.  Now, if somebody wants to go buy a new one and seal it in a bubble with 2 miles showing for about fifty years, then it might be worth something as a collectible.  And this would apply to darn near any other motorcycle (or car, or truck), CVO or whatever.  But you could make far better fifty year investments with your $30K+.

They're really just a top of the line option package--nothing special or different from main production line models, design-wise.  if that's what you want, go for it, do what you want with it and enjoy it.  But forget all this "collectible classic" stuff.

I agree. These things ain't investments. They're damn motorcycles. Motorcycles are made to be riddeen and enjoyed. Do what you want to them to make themyour own, and so they perform as you need them to. Don't worry about resale value. If you care about that for reasons of trading in every few years, then do as little to it as you can to still enjoy it. If you're planning to keep it, do whatever you want to it. The sky's the limit! We aren't here long enough to worry about what your damn bike's worth if you modify it! Just enjoy the damn thing!

Hoist!

[RobertinArgyle]

Thanks for all the input.  I am not concerned too much about "collectibility" and I plan on riding this bike until I'm too old to press the start button or it rusts apart and disintegrates.  The bike has 25,000 miles on it right now and it looks like replacing the cam chain tensionsers vs new gear drive cam is about the same money (of course I'd want the Feuling oil pump etc while I'm in the motor...)  That being said, with the above input I have decided to put a gear drive cam in the bike.  Now, what is the best cam for a Stage 2 95" motor with a 2:1 exhaust and no immediate plans for head work?

[rednectum]

Thanks for all the input.  I am not concerned too much about "collectibility" and I plan on riding this bike until I'm too old to press the start button or it rusts apart and disintegrates.  The bike has 25,000 miles on it right now and it looks like replacing the cam chain tensionsers vs new gear drive cam is about the same money (of course I'd want the Feuling oil pump etc while I'm in the motor...)  That being said, with the above input I have decided to put a gear drive cam in the bike.  Now, what is the best cam for a Stage 2 95" motor with a 2:1 exhaust and no immediate plans for head work?

that question cant be answered!! but to throw a poke, the andrews tw37 will sorta work well till you realize you need headwork.

[Steve_G]

that question cant be answered!! but to throw a poke, the andrews tw37 will sorta work well till you realize you need headwork.

A little headwork would make MY toes curl!   

[rednectum]

A little headwork would make MY toes curl!   

hehe, just think what a lot of headwork will do!!!!! when your ears touch, shes done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!