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[HWYMAN1]

I can neither confirm nor deny the facts stated here, but interesting none the less:

Regardless of your political preferences, these facts are important to remember, if for no other reason thanto be informed & reminded of. (No doubt these facts are very controversial and most of us are wrong from time to time in a lot of areas, but when we get into the facts of history we can not run and hide.)
John Glenn said this that should make you think a little:



There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January. In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq



When some claim that President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following:



a. FDR led us into World War II.

b. Germany never attacked us ; Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost .... an average of 112,500 per year.



c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost .... an average of 18,334 per year.


d John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.


e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ... an average of 5,800 per year.


f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.  Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

g. In the years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya , Iran , and, North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.



The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking.


But Wait

It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.



We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.



It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.


It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB ! The Military morale is high!

The biased media hopes w e are too ignorant to realize the facts



But Wait There's more!



JOHN GLENN (on the Senate floor - January 26, 2004)



Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do for a living. This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation of why men and women in the armed services do what they do for a living.



This IS a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never served think of the military.


Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn): "How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?"



Senator Glenn (D-Ohio):
"I served 23 years in the United StatesMarine Corps. I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank."


"I ask you to! go with me .. . as I went the other day... to a veteran's hospital and look those men ... with their mangled bodies . in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job!


You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and Orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee... and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DADS didn't hold a job.



You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery , where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch those waving flags.



You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job?

What about you?"


For those who don't remember During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA .

Now he's a Senator!


If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English thank a Veteran.


It might not be a bad idea to keep this circulating. I AM!

[Twolanerider]

JOHN GLENN (on the Senate floor - January 26, 2004)

METZENBAUM

Remember that the perception of our arguments is rarely any better than the information used to make them.  Howard Metzenbaum left the Senate in 1995 and Glenn was gone in 1999.  No floor debate for either man in 2004.

[Chief]

Remember that the perception of our arguments is rarely any better than the information used to make them.  Howard Metzenbaum left the Senate in 1995 and Glenn was gone in 1999.  No floor debate for either man in 2004.

A quick jump over to Snopes.com sheds a bit more light on the exchange:

The item quoted above is indeed a relatively faithful transcript of candidate John Glenn's remarks during a 1974 debate with Howard Metzenbaum for the Democratic nomination to a U.S. Senate seat, but the circumstances that prompted Glenn's words were not quite as they're made out to be here.

Read the whole story here...

[Twolanerider]

A quick jump over to Snopes.com sheds a bit more light on the exchange:

Read the whole story here...

After seeing the dates I didn't look any farther Chief.  Made up is made up.  When there is so much good information available to make a case for the life of me I've never understood why it's so often deemed necessary to just make it up or change the context of what's out there.  Data and history are too easy to look up for anyone anymore.  Doing this kind of thing nearly always bites the perpetrator in the ass.  I suppose some twirps just think it's fun to try and pass something for the fun of it.

[Chief]

After seeing the dates I didn't look any farther Chief.  Made up is made up.  When there is so much good information available to make a case for the life of me I've never understood why it's so often deemed necessary to just make it up or change the context of what's out there.  Data and history are too easy to look up for anyone anymore.  Doing this kind of thing nearly always bites the perpetrator in the ass.  I suppose some twirps just think it's fun to try and pass something for the fun of it.

Don,

The nod goes to you for catching it; from memory I assume.  I, on the other hand, had to look it up. 

[Twolanerider]

Don,

The nod goes to you for catching it; from memory I assume.  I, on the other hand, had to look it up. 

Glenn is pretty easy to remember because he was a space cadet again 99 after he left the Senate . 

[HWYMAN1]

Don,
as i stated in disclaimer I did not vouch for the validity of the dates or information, i usually take these things with a grain of salt anyway, but the comparative statistics are interesting. The overall sense as with most of these blogs is never let the facts get in the way of a good story! john

[Chief]

Don,
as i stated in disclaimer I did not vouch for the validity of the dates or information, i usually take these things with a grain of salt anyway, but the comparative statistics are interesting. The overall sense as with most of these blogs is never let the facts get in the way of a good story! john

John,

No intention to discredit you at all. You had all the disclaimers right up front. I enjoyed reading it and think it is a good story as well.

[Twolanerider]

Don,
as i stated in disclaimer I did not vouch for the validity of the dates or information, i usually take these things with a grain of salt anyway, but the comparative statistics are interesting. The overall sense as with most of these blogs is never let the facts get in the way of a good story! john

Completely understand John.  You had a very public disclaimer right at the top.  Wasn't speaking to you at all.  Someone created the little tome.  They're a certain breed of dipchit.  You were passing it along as simply a matter of curiosity and/or amusement. 

With the preambulatory disclaimer everyone knows what's what.  No big deal at all.  The general kind of created story here is what annoys me.  Not the way you were presenting it here.  Not at all.  The only hazard, perhaps, is that even with the disclaimer someone might pick up bits and pieces and pass it along.  Just because we "know" for some reason doesn't always mean we know.  Lots of people listened to Orson Welles one night....

[REGGAB]

Completely understand John.  You had a very public disclaimer right at the top.  Wasn't speaking to you at all.  Someone created the little tome.  They're a certain breed of dipchit.  You were passing it along as simply a matter of curiosity and/or amusement. 

With the preambulatory disclaimer everyone knows what's what.  No big deal at all.  The general kind of created story here is what annoys me.  Not the way you were presenting it here.  Not at all.  The only hazard, perhaps, is that even with the disclaimer someone might pick up bits and pieces and pass it along.  Just because we "know" for some reason doesn't always mean we know.  Lots of people listened to Orson Welles one night....

........or "dirkchit?"   

[grc]

As an old fart, I have to say that one of the things that is better about modern times is the ability to rapidly access information via the internet.  Unfortunately, I also have to say that one of the things that's worse about modern times is the ability to spread disinformation around the world with the click of a button.  There is an old adage that has been around a lot longer than I have:  Never believe anything you hear, and only half of what you actually see.  I believe you can add to that something along the line of: automatically assume anything you find on the internet to be BS until PROVEN otherwise.

Disinformation is nothing new, but the ability to spread it so widely and rapidly is.  And there are no publishers and editors to help squash the most obvious misinformation now that everyone can be "self-published" on the 'net.  "Caveat lector" - let the reader beware.

Jerry

[Twolanerider]

........or "dirkchit?"   

You're a bad man.....

[REGGAB]

You're a bad man.....

I try!   

[ccr]

..."Caveat lector" - let the reader beware....

Wise words my friend.