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The domino affect
« on: November 02, 2007, 09:10:08 AM »

On the way home from Maggie Valley the dreaded primary noise overcame the sweet sound of D&D Borzillas. All I could think was that we are 150 miles from home and this is not a good thing. So I made the corprate decision to ride the piss out of Bessie for that 150 miles. The weird thing that I couldn't understand was that if the rpm's were kept up over 2000 rpm then the noise became nonexistant.
Within 15 minutes of putting Bessie into the garage, she was torn down.   Culprit....Primary chain stretched out, hitting the primary causing the noise.....Yes I was using a H-B125 auto primary tensioner.
Called Baker to order a new chain and they do not recommend the use of any auto tensioner. Reason...They put too much undo stress on the chain and this causes the chain to wear out premature....I can attest to that.....25,000 miles. As some of you might or might not know, when you change the trans gears out to a Baker DD6 then you have to change out the primary gears also. The compensator gearing is changed from a 25 tooth to a 28 tooth, so you use their chain.
Ordered their chain and tensioner shoe that they recommend and now the fun times begin.....have to find the old box that the stock tensioner is in....search for 1/2 day....too pissed to begin putting things back together Wednesday. So Thursday after work, yes I know work came before the bike, the work begins. I also have a new chrome starter that I am going to install because the one in the bike works sometimes, hinse the reason there is a push button on the starter.
Remove the starter jack shaft from the primary, install the primary gearing..neighbor comes over and tells me that there is a baby squirrel in her front yard that must have fallen out of the tree, so I go over and get the baby squirrel and put it in a box and find the little baby bottles we have, make up some formula and feed the little critter. now back to the bike...Oh chit, forgot to install the jack shaft...it won't go in with the clutch pack installed....off come the comp nut and clutch again....To install the starter you have to remove the oil fill housing..so you have to drain the oil. No problem needed a oil change anyway.
Install the jack shaft, primary set up and bolt everything back up. Fill her back up with oil...go to unscrew the oil filter which was very loose, Maybe this is where all the oil on the bottom of the motor came from.Oh well , fixed another problem.  Bolt everything back up and fill it with oil, connect the battery, hit the starter switch, zing zing, but no zoom zoom. What the f*ck now....Off comes the primary again to see if the clutch pack on the starter is bad....after cussing very loudly and maybe throwing a few things across the garage..dumb azz me forgot to put the splined connector on the starter before installing it. :oops:time to  :drink: mass quanities of Crown and diet coke.
Now do I drain out the oil and remove the oil filler neck, to remove the starter to put this damn sleve on it or do I remove the inner pirmary and go about this backwards. Of course let's do it bass ackwards. Remove the inner primary and now find that the seal on the transmission shaft has been leaking for some time. So lets fix this while we are this far into it. Hinse the domino affect  :confused5:
If all goes well, should have Bessie back together today, but with my luck this will never hapen :coolblue:

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Re: The domino affect
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2007, 09:14:06 AM »

Buy more Crown and stick with it....
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Re: The domino affect
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2007, 09:14:41 AM »

Wow even with a lot of pressure from the tensioner thats seems fast for the chain to stretch, only 25,000 miles?
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Re: The domino affect
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2007, 09:22:43 AM »

Wow even with a lot of pressure from the tensioner thats seems fast for the chain to stretch, only 25,000 miles?

Chris the tech at Baker said that the geometry of the chain is changed with the larger comp sprocket. That the auto tensioners are designed for the stock primary configuration. When force is applied at an uncorrect angle, this will cause the chain to wear out faster.
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Re: The domino affect
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2007, 09:23:42 AM »

Buy more Crown and stick with it....

$53 for a half gallon. This way you don't go through as many bottles while working on the bike :coolblue:
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Re: The domino affect
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2007, 09:37:30 AM »

$53 for a half gallon. This way you don't go through as many bottles while working on the bike :coolblue:

That way you can say I only had 1 bottle don't know why I feel this way.  Interesting about changing the sprocket changing the angle wouldn't think it would have such a effect, it's just a few degrees.
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Re: The domino affect
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2007, 10:02:05 AM »

$53 for a half gallon. This way you don't go through as many bottles while working on the bike :coolblue:

Wow, too bad you don't live near Canada.  It's closer to $30 at the duty free shops.

It sounds to me like you're describing EVERY weekend for most of us here.  Things never go as expected.  I have an engineer friend who said when ever he's figuring out time for a project around the house it's "double it and add 20".  Thanks for making us all experts on chain replacement.  I guarantee that now you know how to do it quicker you'll never have another problem with it.....
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Re: The domino affect
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2007, 11:04:30 AM »

Brian-

Glad you made it home safe from MV..  Sorry to hear about the adventure in putting the bike back together (squirell and all) but you did it yourself.  Glad to hear I'm not the only one that has "fun" working on their bikes.  Bob
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Re: The domino affect
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2007, 11:34:28 AM »

Brian-

Glad you made it home safe from MV..  Sorry to hear about the adventure in putting the bike back together (squirell and all) but you did it yourself.  Glad to hear I'm not the only one that has "fun" working on their bikes.  Bob

Well right now Hurricane Noel is beating the hell out of us. Ocean overwash, high winds, the works. And it is only a cat 1 hurricane. Not saying that I can''t work in it, but why :nixweiss:
Drink some Crown and work on the scoot. That way you don't care how long it takes :huepfenlol2:
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Re: The domino affect
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2007, 04:52:18 PM »

Well right now Hurricane Noel is beating the hell out of us. Ocean overwash, high winds, the works. And it is only a cat 1 hurricane. Not saying that I can''t work in it, but why :nixweiss:
Drink some Crown and work on the scoot. That way you don't care how long it takes :huepfenlol2:

Brian this is what makes these bike a pleasure to own. Strange noises, oil leaks,forgetfulness, interuptions, squeirells, Crown,Ect.Ect.Ect. By the way hows the squierll doing.  :worthless: :)
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Re: The domino affect
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2007, 05:18:32 PM »

Brian this is what makes these bike a pleasure to own. Strange noises, oil leaks,forgetfulness, interuptions, squeirells, Crown,Ect.Ect.Ect. By the way hows the squierll doing.  :worthless: :)

Need to go across the street to see how the little guy is doing. All through putting Bessie back together I was thinking how cool it would be to have another pet squirrel. Had one when I was in high school. Wounder if you could train a squirrel to ride on the bike :nixweiss:
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Re: The domino affect
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2007, 05:54:11 PM »

Frickin amazing how one thing leads to another. Keep us posted.
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Re: The domino affect
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2007, 06:22:45 PM »

Need to go across the street to see how the little guy is doing. All through putting Bessie back together I was thinking how cool it would be to have another pet squirrel. Had one when I was in high school. Wounder if you could train a squirrel to ride on the bike :nixweiss:

Thought I saw a squirrel water skiing once on the news.

Thanks for doing the research on the tensioner Brian, 2k on the chain.....ouch. Ive never been a big fan of the auto tensioner. Years ago in my drag racing days, we learned how much horsepower a tight fan belt and tight timing chain robbed horsepower. I always adjust my primary when changing the primary oil on my bike, it gives me an idea what shape the chain is in, and yes I always adjust my chain to the loose side. I know a lot of people don't like the clunk from the trans but at the sacrifice of robbing parasitic load from too tight condition I would definatly sacrifice the nuisance of hearing the clunk.


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Re: The domino affect
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2007, 07:19:04 PM »

Chris the tech at Baker said that the geometry of the chain is changed with the larger comp sprocket. That the auto tensioners are designed for the stock primary configuration. When force is applied at an uncorrect angle, this will cause the chain to wear out faster.
Thanks for the info. I'll have to check mine. I run the Baker setup also along with the HD auto tensioner.
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Re: The domino affect
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2007, 09:25:55 PM »

glad you made it home safe, drink more crown :drink:
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