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[FrankD]

Does anyone know if their is a CVO Registry that tracks year, model, and VIN? Also some basic information like the state the bike resides in. Detomaso Panteras and other rare cars have a registry. The BMW K1200 (not a rare bike)motorcycle has a registry. Would this website be interested in adding a registry for the membership?

FrankD

[Fired00d]

A couple of members have been keeping registry's for specific models/year, but there has not been one for all CVO's.

FR8TRN was doing one for 2006 SEUC and hard10 was doing one for the 2007 SEUC.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[110tHunDer]

 
This was done here with the SEUCs for awhile.  That's probably why your search landed you back here.  Maybe it's still being maintained, not sure, but I'm not aware of any attempts to do a full CVO model line registry.

I'm just curious, though, what benefits do the other groups you mention get from this information?  I've never really understood the rationale behind it.

[FrankD]

Fired00d and 103tHunDer,

I for one have been trying to figure out how many SERG's the Mo Co produced in 2000 and 2001. I've read on this forum so many different accounts. The split in numbers by color and by year. One member did find out from the Mo Co the total number for the SERG in the year 2000. But he probably does not know what number his bike actually is.

What I would like to know is, out of xxx amount of Black and Grey SERG mine is number xxx out of xxx. Similar to the way Ducati numbers their bikes. I'm surprised that Mo Co has not provided a number to the owner with a certificate.

Did the Mo Co just pull RG's off the production line at a whim and say lets make this one a SERG? Are the CVO's consecutively numbered or is it every 100 RG will be a SERG?  This does not mean that A Registry would sort this problem out. Just bring us closer to some sort of number.

103 HunDer: Maybe no benefit to the person who just wants a CVO bike.  Fast-Forward, Years down the road people who collect or look for low number models will chase for this type of information. I 've been thru this with XR-1000's, Panteras, and full-auto machine guns. It makes a difference.

Besides its a sin not to have a Registry for rare Harleys!

Happy New Year!
FrankD

[hard10]

If you look at my signature you will see a link to the 2007 SEUC registry. I have only complied a list for the '07 Ultra (of which I own one)

AJ

[hard10]

This was done here with the SEUCs for awhile.  That's probably why your search landed you back here.  Maybe it's still being maintained, not sure, but I'm not aware of any attempts to do a full CVO model line registry.

I'm just curious, though, what benefits do the other groups you mention get from this information?  I've never really understood the rationale behind it.

Brian, I own a 1990 Buick Reatta convertible that I purchased new. We have a registry for that car. The reason being that Buick had several cars destroyed before production and gave several away as promotional vehicles to charity. When a vehicle is destroyed and parts are salvaged that VIN should no longer be in the marketplace. Should a VIN appear that was known destroyed and tried to be resold, the buyer would have a place to check. This helps maintain the value of a select production run of vehicles.
AJ

[Fired00d]

Frank,
I'm pretty sure that the VIN's aren't consecutive all the time on CVO's. The frames are all made and just stored until they need one for a build. All depending on what they are building at the time a frame is just grabbed from the pile. One could go to a CVO and the other could go to a regular bike, and then there could be days when two or more in succession could go to CVO's.

Even if we had a registry it might not be complete because not all CVO owners are a part of the site. Not a bad idea, but wouldn't be conclusive.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[naitram]

VIN is assigned when the frame is built and the VIN indcates motor size and model but there has never been any indication that they are numbered consecutively

[FrankD]

Fired00d and naitram,

I suspected that. I figured it was tied in with the Paint shop and Engine built schedule. The Registry will never be conclusive. Hard 10 gives a very good explanation with his Buick Regatta. This happened with my Pantera.  The Detomaso Factory kept funny records. The factory issued numbers but some of the cars were scrapped or ex-factory race cars that were destroyed in race accidents and the car was junked.

FrankD

[110tHunDer]

Fired00d and 103tHunDer,

I for one have been trying to figure out how many SERG's the Mo Co produced in 2000 and 2001. I've read on this forum so many different accounts. The split in numbers by color and by year. One member did find out from the Mo Co the total number for the SERG in the year 2000. But he probably does not know what number his bike actually is.

What I would like to know is, out of xxx amount of Black and Grey SERG mine is number xxx out of xxx. Similar to the way Ducati numbers their bikes. I'm surprised that Mo Co has not provided a number to the owner with a certificate.

Did the Mo Co just pull RG's off the production line at a whim and say lets make this one a SERG? Are the CVO's consecutively numbered or is it every 100 RG will be a SERG?  This does not mean that A Registry would sort this problem out. Just bring us closer to some sort of number.

Happy New Year!
FrankD

Frank, that member was me.  For me, just knowing the "official" production quantity is enough.  I'm not trying to be belligerent in asking, but I'm not sure what difference what number your bike is in the production run makes.   Maybe if yours was the first '00 or the last '01 SERG, that would be some information that would make the bike more valuable, but to know you've got the 35th black & orange '00 or the 344th blue '01, I'm not sure what you do with that information.

You're not alone in wanting to know, though.  There was another member asking recenlty about the sequential number for FXRs, I think it was.   All of the earlier CVOs were such low production by today's comparison that having one of any number that they made puts you in some fairly exclusive company to begin with.  I'm just not sure what knowing the sequential production number brings to the table, additionally.

Also, my understanding is that the frames were produced (and VINs stamped on them) without regard to whether the bike would be a CVO or not.  So, some frames when for regular production bikes and when it came time to produce the CVO, those frames were randomly pulled.  If that's the case, who knows if the frames were pulled in numerical order, or not.  I think it'd be a tangled web to unwind and probably something that only H-D, themselves, could do.

Have you tried contacting them, similar to what's been done to obtain the production by color, to ask them for the sequential VIN information?

[110tHunDer]

Fired00d and 103tHunDer,

I for one have been trying to figure out how many SERG's the Mo Co produced in 2000 and 2001. I've read on this forum so many different accounts. The split in numbers by color and by year. One member did find out from the Mo Co the total number for the SERG in the year 2000. But he probably does not know what number his bike actually is.

What I would like to know is, out of xxx amount of Black and Grey SERG mine is number xxx out of xxx. Similar to the way Ducati numbers their bikes. I'm surprised that Mo Co has not provided a number to the owner with a certificate.

Did the Mo Co just pull RG's off the production line at a whim and say lets make this one a SERG? Are the CVO's consecutively numbered or is it every 100 RG will be a SERG?  This does not mean that A Registry would sort this problem out. Just bring us closer to some sort of number.

103 HunDer: Maybe no benefit to the person who just wants a CVO bike.  Fast-Forward, Years down the road people who collect or look for low number models will chase for this type of information. I 've been thru this with XR-1000's, Panteras, and full-auto machine guns. It makes a difference.

Besides its a sin not to have a Registry for rare Harleys!

Happy New Year!
FrankD

Looks like the post I quoted above was edited after I began my reply.

Fast-forward years down the road and who's to say the information collected today will be accurate?  If I sell my '00 SERG to Hot Rod Johnny and he wrecks it but doesn't tell whoever's keeper of the registry, what good is the information at that point?

Not saying it's a "sin" to try, but incomplete information is not very valuable, IMHO.

[FrankD]

103tHunDer,

I did not or would not take it as being belligerent. I'm sure their are many people asking or wondering the same questions about their bike. You provided this forum with your letter to the Mo Co regarding the production numbers for the year 2000.

I think CVOGEO is drafting a similiar letter to Mo Co for the 2001 SERG's. If CVOGEO did not than I will be glad to and will probably ask the same questions in my letter that I did in this forum. I'm thinking out loud hear and taking input from all members. I'm curious as to how they arrived at the numbers. Yes we see the numbers in brochures and online. These numbers have a way on changing after the brochures and hype has hit the street.

Since the Mo Co are asking Mega bucks for the new CVO's $35k plus. I would at least think the Mo Co should provide a Certificate of Authencity to the numbers produced.

FrankD
 

[SBB]

103tHunDer,


I think CVOGEO is drafting a similiar letter to Mo Co for the 2001 SERG's. If CVOGEO did not than I will be glad to and will probably ask the same questions in my letter that I did in this forum. I'm thinking out loud hear and taking input from all members. I'm curious as to how they arrived at the numbers. Yes we see the numbers in brochures and online. These numbers have a way on changing after the brochures and hype has hit the street.



I sent a letter to the Motor Company asking for production #'s on the 01 SERG's. SBB

Since the Mo Co are asking Mega bucks for the new CVO's $35k plus. I would at least think the Mo Co should provide a Certificate of Authencity to the numbers produced.

I think a letter of authenticity is the least of their concerns right now. A reliable motor I suspect would be the top priority. SBB


 

[FrankD]

I was just addressing the a CVO Registry for all models and a letter of authenticity for future models. Actually SB its a big disappointment/embarrassment that Harley cannot build a 110 cu. in. motor correctly. This V-Twin motor is the bike and is Harley-Davidson! Label this problem outsourcing issues, poor engineering or assembly practices.  The aftermarket shops can get it right and have for some time with bigger cu. in. motors. Thats why I kept my 01 SERG.

I'm still pissed about their poor chroming and cheap plated hardware/fasteners they use. I have a fat stack of bills from when I did my 1450 mile SERG over. I just finished it last week I practically jacked up the gas tank and put a new bike under it. My updates included performance, suspension, tires, brakes and paint work along with trashing every nut, bolt and washer. 

FrankD

[Puzzled]

FrankD,

I wouldn't mind knowing what number my bike is. My SVO lightning came with a number on it and a bunch of SVO paperwork supporting the production numbers.