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103 Rebuild Time
« on: January 03, 2008, 11:00:10 AM »

Well it sure looks like I lost another engine in my 06 SEUC. >:(
 
According to the tech, the cam bearing seized up. This motor has less than 25K on it. I lost the first motor at 27.7K with the same problem. Now that I'm into my extended warrenty, I am waiting for the insurance to give the OK to rebuild the engine.

Question is: What do I put back into the engine to make it reliable! :nixweiss:
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Re: 103 Rebuild Time
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2008, 11:20:12 AM »

Well it sure looks like I lost another engine in my 06 SEUC. >:(
 
According to the tech, the cam bearing seized up. This motor has less than 25K on it. I lost the first motor at 27.7K with the same problem. Now that I'm into my extended warrenty, I am waiting for the insurance to give the OK to rebuild the engine.

Question is: What do I put back into the engine to make it reliable! :nixweiss:

Tank...have they checked your Crank runout?  There's got to be something out of whack (technical term) for this to be the second time.
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Re: 103 Rebuild Time
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2008, 11:32:35 AM »

Did they rebuild the first one, or a completely new motor?
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Re: 103 Rebuild Time
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2008, 11:38:49 AM »

Tank,

You might wish to send Mr or Mrs WeCVO a message some dealerships won't change any part of the build and demand it go back to stock when they rebuild it other dealers will allow you to swap out parts.    

I think before you go much further I would have a very candid talk with the dealership service manager and see where they are will to let you bend the rules of the warranty and go from there.   I think then you will be better armed to decide what you would like to have done to this motor.    After 2 motors one would think they might let you be in the driver seat, so before you spend a lot of time I would check out your do's and don'ts and come back and tell us what your mind set is based on talking to the Stealer SM.   If you can make changes do you have a fund setup for how much you might be willing to throw in of your own money, it might help decide what you wanna do.

My question to you would be what do you have in mind that you want out of the bike you obviously want reliability, more power? ,more torque?   If so where do you ride and where do you want the power .... low end, top end ?



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Once it is covered by warranty whether it be the whole motor deal or the bottom end depending what was blown up I would buy a new steel SE Crank for the difference and send it off to falcion or dark horse and have it balanced and sleeved or welded depending on your preference.    1 likes to weld them 1 likes to sleeve them.  
I would then look at the next weakest part the shoe cam tensioners I would consider upgrading them to gear drive or looking into the 07 style cam plate oil pump etc or just go to the fueling lifters, cam plate and oil pump and go gear drive since the crank would have been done.   Cost of the Crank being done is somewhere between 450-650 dollars depending on who sends it etc.

Beyond that it is up to you whether you are going to want to stay stock or go for some power improvements besides say the 575 cams fueling lifters, pump and plate is a good ocmbo if your just looking for some better oomph without going crazy.   Then there is headwork or uping the compression or going to 107 top end or a 113 motor since the bottom end is going to be taken out of the bike it is a perfect time to go this route and you can get very good numbers without having to go crazy in the build as Sir Mikey103/sir mikey 113 did although I think Tommy0 now owns the bike and it was 121/117 with 103+ heads and SE 251 cam (07) 50mm throttlebody or >.   He swapped the heads out of the kit that the 113 came with and opted for the 103+ heads.

My suggestion would be to go to the 113 with the 251, roller rockers, Adjustable pushrods, and if they will let you put in Fueling lifters and oil pump and leave it alone there that way you should have a dealer that will stand behind ya and it should be reliable and you will have plenty of power when ever you want it, and send out the crank to ensure it is balanced etc.  

Best of luck with this crappy situation,


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Re: 103 Rebuild Time
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2008, 11:42:06 AM »

They replaced the motor the first time. Still waiting to see what they'll authorize this time.. The crank runout was way over the first time and probably this time also as the motor died when "something" hit the crank angle sensor from the inside and broke it, which is just like the last time.
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Re: 103 Rebuild Time
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2008, 11:54:44 AM »

Bad luck, I might be wrong, but I haven't seen that many post on the 103 having major problems, like people have been reporting on the 110's. I thought maybe they reused the cases and there might have been a bearing misalignment problem with the cases. Someone mentioned this when doing the Timken upgrade.    Good luck!!
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Re: 103 Rebuild Time
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2008, 12:28:07 PM »

Thanks.. I'll keep y'all posted on developments.
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Re: 103 Rebuild Time
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2008, 08:11:32 PM »

Yeah the 103 has a pretty go track record other than the cam shoes.  Very odd that it did the same thing again, with a totally different motor.
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Re: 103 Rebuild Time
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2008, 08:32:54 PM »


My suggestion would be to go to the 113 with the 251, roller rockers, Adjustable pushrods, and if they will let you put in Fueling lifters and oil pump and leave it alone there that way you should have a dealer that will stand behind ya and it should be reliable and you will have plenty of power when ever you want it, and send out the crank to ensure it is balanced etc.  



Harry is making a good recommendation as this build is mostly HD parts which should be covered under warranty.  I would add the Timken bearing conversion as long as you are doing the crank.  Will make the bottom end bulletproof if done right.  It will probably be cost out of your pocket, but this is not an expensive modification for the peace of mind it provides.  Good luck!
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Re: 103 Rebuild Time
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2008, 01:40:29 AM »

 My 113 runs great!! In fact, like Unbalanced was telling you, my friend Tom bought the bike from me and he had an 06 ultra with a 95 in it that he sold right away to get my bike!! He really liked how hard my motor pulled for being all H-D parts!! I only got rid of because I needed to for the moment, but I will do it again probably this summer!!
 Unbalanced is the one who helped me design that motor!! :2vrolijk_21:

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Re: 103 Rebuild Time
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2008, 08:54:16 AM »

Thanks for all of the great suggestions! :2vrolijk_21:

Maybe the tech will call today with some news so I can get the ball rolling.. I sure would love to have some more power as I do like to ride the twisties in the hills & mountains, and the extra power would be nice for passing on those "blind" corners & hills.. I would like to make it bulletproof as possible, but I still have a few years on my extended warrenty and we'll have to see what the stealership will allow on this situation.. :nixweiss:
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Re: 103 Rebuild Time
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2008, 03:41:05 PM »

Anyone have any input on the S&S 570G kit with grear drives for my 103? :confused5:
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Re: 103 Rebuild Time
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2008, 06:04:11 AM »

Well it looks like the engine was damaged enough that they have ordered another "new" engine for my bike. I have also ordered the S&S 570G kit with cams, gear drives, cam plate, and the Torrington cam bearings. Hopefully.. this will stop my cam bearing problems.. The new motor is suppose to have the newer oil pump also.
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Re: 103 Rebuild Time
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2008, 02:42:46 PM »

Well it looks like the engine was damaged enough that they have ordered another "new" engine for my bike. I have also ordered the S&S 570G kit with cams, gear drives, cam plate, and the Torrington cam bearings. Hopefully.. this will stop my cam bearing problems.. The new motor is suppose to have the newer oil pump also.
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Very good choice. The 570's work very well in a 103. I think you will be very happy.

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Re: 103 Rebuild Time
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2008, 07:41:17 PM »

Thanks Dawg! I was hoping I got the right combination.
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