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[Hoist!]

I was on line with Mike at Latus HD. He advises the MoCo has addressed the cylinder liner movement and the third gasket we have heard about on post at this site are a reality. He comments below:

"As indicated in my earlier post, this issue has been identified and corrected. New gaskets will be supplied with the new cylinder and should be used. Not all 110's have shown this problem, so not all will require correction. We are confident in the correction. It should be seen as a testimony to H-D's ability to quickly recognize, correct and satisfy affected customers when issues present themselves. Not sure you get that with other products."

"I'm not aware of the specific cause of the liner movement but have been told it has been addressed in the replacements. Any statement by me would be speculation. There is a new gasket (third version) that comes with the replacement cylinder. It would appear that the correction is being addressed on both fronts, even more reason to be comfortable."

I for one hope the MoCo is taking postive steps to make it right for their customers. It is the right thing to do for their customer base as well as the longevity of the company.

JW

Time will tell! I still don't believe it! I hope it is for ya'll doing it under w.....ty. No more leaky 110's from here on, in is the only thing that will convince me. Not putting an A or B on the end of a P/N. BTW what's the P/N of the new cylinders and gaskets?

Hoist!

[Boatman]

It's too bad you 110 guys are being the R&D for the MOCO..  Hope the new cylinder and gasket works.

[Midnight Rider]

I really hope this news is true, and HD has finally fixed this headache for all of you with this problem.   

[Black Diamond]

Howie,  I'll try to get the p/n. I have to look into this more before I can move one way or the other. If I had Scott's mechanical ability's I would go any direction I want as I can do my own work. I'm just a dumbass when it comes to wrenching. I can break a bolt head off like no one's business.

Boatman, I kinda feel like the large, fluffly rabbit in the cage at times. But this rabbit is looking to escape the best way possible.

[sadunbar]

I was on line with Mike at Latus HD. He advises the MoCo has addressed the cylinder liner movement and the third gasket we have heard about on post at this site are a reality. He comments below:

"As indicated in my earlier post, this issue has been identified and corrected. New gaskets will be supplied with the new cylinder and should be used. Not all 110's have shown this problem, so not all will require correction. We are confident in the correction. It should be seen as a testimony to H-D's ability to quickly recognize, correct and satisfy affected customers when issues present themselves. Not sure you get that with other products."

"I'm not aware of the specific cause of the liner movement but have been told it has been addressed in the replacements. Any statement by me would be speculation. There is a new gasket (third version) that comes with the replacement cylinder. It would appear that the correction is being addressed on both fronts, even more reason to be comfortable."

I for one hope the MoCo is taking postive steps to make it right for their customers. It is the right thing to do for their customer base as well as the longevity of the company.

JW

Since the MOCO didn't see a reason to tell the dealers there was a problem ( ), I wonder if they will decide there is a reason to tell the dealers of a solution... 

That has to be a tough act to go from:

"Problem, what Problem - we don't know anything about any 110 head gaskets problems"

to

"Here is the solution we have all been waiting for!!  We are confident in the correction. It should be seen as a testimony to H-D's ability to quickly recognize, correct and satisfy affected customers when issues present themselves. Not sure you get that with other products."

whoops...maybe the script is already distributed!! 

[Tbone]

Howie,  I'll try to get the p/n. I have to look into this more before I can move one way or the other. If I had Scott's mechanical ability's I would go any direction I want as I can do my own work. I'm just a dumbass when it comes to wrenching. I can break a bolt head off like no one's business.

Boatman, I kinda feel like the large, fluffly rabbit in the cage at times. But this rabbit is looking to escape the best way possible.

I'm glad to hear there's someone else on the site that shares my mechanical ablility! 

Bob

[grc]

Since the MOCO didn't see a reason to tell the dealers there was a problem ( ), I wonder if they will decide there is a reason to tell the dealers of a solution... 

That has to be a tough act to go from:

"Problem, what Problem - we don't know anything about any 110 head gaskets problems"

to

"Here is the solution we have all been waiting for!!  We are confident in the correction. It should be seen as a testimony to H-D's ability to quickly recognize, correct and satisfy affected customers when issues present themselves. Not sure you get that with other products."
whoops...maybe the script is already distributed!! 

Let's see, almost 1.5 years to acknowledge and supposedly come up with a fix for a fairly major issue, all while disavowing any knowledge of the issue and leaving customers hanging.  Yeah, I'm really impressed (not).

As stated earlier, I sure hope they figure out which way to taper the sleeve so it doesn't drop into the crankcase.   I'm surprised they didn't just drill and tap the cylinder and install a few set screws.  You could add that to the 5k service intervals, "Torque cylinder sleeve set screws to 45-60 in-lbs".  Cheaper fix, don't even have to remove the jugs from the bike!

Jerry

[JDOFLHRIDER]

Back in the day when sleeved juggs they would pin linners and then machine and bore cyl's that usually worked pretty good.We'll have to see what the fixes are. ride safe JDO

[ggraves427]

 He did not tell you all the story about the fix!  Actually there are two versions.  One to get you just past the regular warranty and a second premium version to get you just past the extended warranty.  Actually there is a third customer pay only version after all warranties have expired.  It entails installing an S&S 120 c.i.

[radonc]

Its frustrating for all of us that have the 110's. I'm thinking like sadunbar. If they want admit to the problem how will we know when there is a real fix? The only service rep. I could find that would admit to me that there was a problem said HD will not ever likely admit to it. That they will do what he called a running fix when they do resolve it, meaning just fix the bikes when they come in. I've been waiting to get mine repaired hoping the fix is coming soon. I'm a nut case when it comes to the appearance of my bike and I hate having it worked on any more than necessary because of the chance of them scratching it. But if they don't tell if and when they do resolve it we want know. Will just have to ride and hope. Of course that's whats great about this site. Its for certain that will hear about it here long before we do at any dealship! I know some of you are really fed up and think they will never get the problem resolved. But I think they will have to, its happening to frequently. Its either come up with a fix or do away with the 110's. Its one thing to stick a few of us with the problem and leave us to sink or swim on our own. It's another to continue to produce a motor that has these kinds of problems knowing there going to continue to have high percentages of them leak. These bikes are low number productions. HD may be willing to stick it to a few thousand of us but eventually the word will get out to the rest of the biking world and no one will buy a new bike with a 110. I hope I'm right and I hope it's soon!

[Jack]

Gentlemen, I also bought the extended warranty just in case there were repetitive problems with this new engine.

It seems that it is always the rear cylinder.  So for my 2 cents, thinking friction build up is working on the sleeve causing it to work on the gasket.

20 some years ago Toyota manufactured ceramic impregnated cylinder blocks for their diesel engines.  The MOCO needs to do something like that (Teflon etc) to keep the heat down.

And Zepka picked my bike up yesterday and decided afterwords not having a SERT installed, which according to them takes several hours to tune.

The thought of having someone beat the crap out of my bike, just to tune it, doesn't go over very well in my mind.

[skreminegul07]

I was told the bad news today that my oil leak was the rear cylinder head gasket due to the sleeve movement. We had a long discussion and i was told that Harley is using a new tapered sleeve to correct the problem. They said the parts would take a week to get and this would take care of the problem. It sounds to me that that are addressing the issue. If my service rep is telling me the truth. I will say that he was straight up with the problem and yes, I'm glad i bought the extended warranty. boy, i hope i don't have to eat any of these words!!!!

Are they changing both cylinders?

[Black Diamond]

I talked with the guys at my HD shop. They called the HD Tech guys for answers on a tapered cylinder sleeve and new head gasket. The cylinder has not been changed.

[Hoist!]

I talked with the guys at my HD shop. They called the HD Tech guys for answers on a tapered cylinder sleeve and new head gasket. The cylinder has not been changed.

Thank you for that. I remain skeptical about the guy from Latus' comments. You can't fix something that's not broken. If it's not designed right, a change needs to be made to fix it. Somebody speak in fork-ed tongue!

Hoist!

[sadunbar]

I talked with the guys at my HD shop. They called the HD Tech guys for answers on a tapered cylinder sleeve and new head gasket. The cylinder has not been changed.

So, the options are:

A.     The cylinders have been changed, and the HD tech guys are not any better informed about a possible fix then they were about the problem.

B.     The cylinders have not been changed and the misinformation/bad information continues to flow from the dealerships.

 

Scott