I used to sell electronics and as a sales person I memorized all the stats. Then we lived for 8 years in Europe, but bought American autos. We had to make selections by reading about them only, never got to test drive them, touch and feel like we can here. When I read about the Victory bagger, I wanted to really see, touch and feel one. Really want to see what the seat height is like. Have been to the store around the corner and their Arlen Ness bikes are very nice to look at. Very beefy looking and feeling. Still have not seen the bagger up close and personal like. I'm not for or against it, just curious. Will not be trading my bike in anyway, so it is a casual curiosity. Would love if you (any you) buy it and let me take it for a ride.