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[DCFIREMANN]

WELL I hate to climb in this but if you are going to drive it on the street and want to go fast and make it last there would be only on place to go CYCLE-RAMA!!!!!!!!

I have a 95 inch motor with Wes Brown heads and it spun a modest 131 on the treadmill. He builds these all day everyday and they last. He has won the AMA horsepower shoot out in Daytona more times than I can count.

Oh and my 95 is a carb model, FI numbers would be lower.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[Michael]

I have the same $3500 Build in process right now.

2007 Night Train
103" Cylinders
HTCC 10.5:1 Pistons
HTCC CNC Ported Heads with Cmp/Rls
251 Cams
SERT
Vance & Hines Big Radius

Any over under takers on the HP/TQ #s?

The bike will be tuned on a 2007 Load Control Dynamomenter
93 Octance Fuel

[skyhook]

michael,
that htcc build requires some blueprinting...I'd guess 90hp/95tq if it is just bolted together and 105hp/110tq if it's done correctly

[SPIDERMAN]

WELL I hate to climb in this but if you are going to drive it on the street and want to go fast and make it last there would be only on place to go CYCLE-RAMA!!!!!!!!

I have a 95 inch motor with Wes Brown heads and it spun a modest 131 on the treadmill. He builds these all day everyday and they last. He has won the AMA horsepower shoot out in Daytona more times than I can count.

Oh and my 95 is a carb model, FI numbers would be lower.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

Dawg,
          I don't want to start a pissing contest, so understand that I expressing my opinion here and not dissin you or your bike or your motor. Ok, lets' get that straight from the start. I know you have some strong motors and I know you run them hard and they hold up. BUT, it's my understanding that you don't shy away from spending serious cash to get what you want. JQ's buddy is trying to do what he can on a $3,500 budget. The next thing is the HP Dyno Shootout. I've talked to Carl Morrow (Carl's Speed Shop ) holder of a bunch of world records, I've talked to Bob Moreland out here who holds a couple records at Bonneville and obviously I'm a big Dave Mackie fan. They have all told me that they could build a 96" - 113 " motor that produce over 200hp that wouldn't get out of it's on way on the street. They all say high lift, long duration cams with a lot of overlap would produce a motor that produces HP on a slow steady curve all the way up to 7k or more, but it wouldn't have a lot of torque and would take 7 seconds or more to get to peak HP. Just wanted to state that because I don't put any stock in who wins Dyno Shootouts. Then again, one could build a motor with stump pulling TQ and not a lot of HP. A good street motor is one that combines both in a rideable, useable and durable method. It sounds like you have just such a motor, but my question is did you get it all for the stated $3,500 at the head of this post ? If you did then by all means, JQ's buddy should beat a path to Wes Brown's door.

B B

[Talon]

Bottom line is there are several good builders out there and a lot of B.S. artist. The key is to find the good and ignore the rest. Below is a Cycle-Rama build on a 95" motor, probably not the most top end you'll ever see, but look a the torque. I've posted this before, it's just a basic reliable build.

[Fatboy]

WELL I hate to climb in this but if you are going to drive it on the street and want to go fast and make it last there would be only on place to go CYCLE-RAMA!!!!!!!!

I have a 95 inch motor with Wes Brown heads and it spun a modest 131 on the treadmill. He builds these all day everyday and they last. He has won the AMA horsepower shoot out in Daytona more times than I can count.

Oh and my 95 is a carb model, FI numbers would be lower.

Be Safe

THE DAWG
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 Dawg,

 I've been away way too long..........

 I thought you were a Zipper's Man. 

 What did I miss? 

  Fatboy 

PS: Seems Chip and Brian haven't missed a beat! 

[SBB]

F/B

As we talked a while back, you have spent to much time away from the site.
Your presence is missed!
Me and Brian just trying to take up your slack!
We's here for you!
Good to hear from you!

SBB

[SPIDERMAN]

Bottom line is there are several good builders out there and a lot of B.S. artist. The key is to find the good and ignore the rest. Below is a Cycle-Rama build on a 95" motor, probably not the most top end you'll ever see, but look a the torque. I've posted this before, it's just a basic reliable build.

That's a good looking sheet Talon. I like the way the TQ jumps right up off the line and the HP is a nice steady curve. So it begs the question. What are the components and how much $$

B B

[Unbalanced]

Brian,

On Michelle's 103 not a 96, I bought htcc heads, flat top pistons, yb13 cam and had al redman remove the ramps from the head that are used for that funky piston and had him clean up the heads just a little.   Cost for the headwork was about 500 dollars.  the dyno sheet was 117/115.   You can not compare the 96 to the 95 as a one for one because of the crank differences.  Personally rahter have a 95 over a 96 anyday but that is just me.   In your buddies case the only difference here would be he could buy the juggs or have his bored out and have X guy do the headwork or start from his stock ones recommended remember i had the sucky SE 103 hemis so I bought new ones, but your buddy could spend those same dollars for X named guy to do work on his stock heads and match the cam accordingly.   

Heads         1150.00
Pistons         279.00
Headwork      600.00
Cam/gears     750.00
Labor           500.00
Gaskets        100.00
Adjustables    169.00
Dynotune      200.00
comp release  100.00

Roughly 3500.00 dollars for the build less a 20% discount on the heads /pistons/ gaskets/ adjustables

[ccr]

Dawg,

 I've been away way too long..........

 I thought you were a Zipper's Man. 

 What did I miss? 

  Fatboy 

Hey, where you been lately?  You missed everything and nothing all at the same time. 

[Michael]

If all my HTCC build yields is 90/95, the bike will sit at the shop until it gets to triple digits.

My 95" HTCC Build with 211s made 96HP/102TQ - Dyna
My 95" HTCC CNC Build with 251s made 98HP/99TQ - Softail
My FLHRSEI2 made 95HP/105TQ, Tuner Air Cleaner & Pipes
My STOCK FLHTCSE2 made 97HP/98TQ, Tuner, Air Cleaner, Pipes

So if my 103" HTCC build only makes 90/95 I will be pi$$ed to say the least.

[SBB]

If all my HTCC build yields is 90/95, the bike will sit at the shop until it gets to triple digits.

My 95" HTCC Build with 211s made 96HP/102TQ - Dyna
My 95" HTCC CNC Build with 251s made 98HP/99TQ - Softail
My FLHRSEI2 made 95HP/105TQ, Tuner Air Cleaner & Pipes
My STOCK FLHTCSE2 made 97HP/98TQ, Tuner, Air Cleaner, Pipes

So if my 103" HTCC build only makes 90/95 I will be pi$$ed to say the least.

Nancy's 95" Lowrider had 211's originally, was at 105/107T.
Her 95" Lowrider now with the Tman heads and cams is 126/121T.
Heads is the key!
Actually it's the combo that rules.
A bunch of good parts mean nothing if the combo isn't good!

 

[SPIDERMAN]

Nancy's 95" Lowrider had 211's originally, was at 105/107T.
Her 95" Lowrider now with the Tman heads and cams is 126/121T.
Heads is the key!
Actually it's the combo that rules.
A bunch of good parts mean nothing if the combo isn't good!
 

And the choir says AMEN to brother Chip

[DCFIREMANN]

Spiderman he can build a good street motor for the $3500.00. I have that in my 95 but I did all of the tear down and reassemble myself. The trick is in the heads. Wes builds a good street motor with some killer combos. It is not about the horsepower shootout it is about the street. He just happens to be good at both.

Be Safe

THE DAWG   

[DCFIREMANN]

FATBOY I am a Zippers man. That does not mean I am wearing blinders. Zippers builds some great motors but so does Wes.


Be Safe

THE DAWG