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My SE FatBoy back to the drawing board...
« on: January 31, 2008, 05:35:49 AM »

So, the continuing saga.....you know the rest...

I got back with the owner of the former "World Thunder" bike shop that built my high end modified Monster SEFB. After 2 top end rebuilds (one cylinder at a time for some reason) I was weary and had butterflies in my gut cause I knew this guy was the responsible party for the initial screw up build, or I think I knew.

So, the dilemma is obvious, cross fired and stuck between the three vendors who's responsible for the lack of homework and not getting the performance parts matched up to par. With all of the finger pointing and "oh, I remember you, way back in the late summer...". Yeah, you remember cause I was in your face after your rebuild of $1800.00 plus lasted a whole 110 miles and you still owe me 2 SE Roller Rocker Arms that you over charged me for...Yeah it all comes back quickly.

Anyway, I give props to the former owner of World Thunder for being a stand up guy, taking on the project (get it back to performance normal 119TQ, 119HP) and breaking it down to me. It's been only a couple of days now and he's called a few times with progress.

Still there is the underlying thought of how much this round will cost me.

Most of you wouldn't believe I spent close to $9,000.00 for the engine mods. This is the most expensive school I have ever been to, and with no instuctor. And I graduated from UCLA!!

So, by sometime next week, I'll have the re-assembled SE Monster Fatty hopefully.

Want to take a bet how much it's going to cost me this round? Sell some squares like at the bar on Monday Night Football?  I'm thinkin up around $600 more....Stay Tuned.....


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Re: My SE FatBoy back to the drawing board...
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2008, 08:12:17 AM »

Kona,
I feel for you, you better keep that bike forever!  I bet you put in more than you bought it for!
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Re: My SE FatBoy back to the drawing board...
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2008, 08:22:59 AM »

I hate to hear stories like that.  :( Best of luck in getting it all taken care of this time and hopefully this will be the one.  :)

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Re: My SE FatBoy back to the drawing board...
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2008, 08:30:47 AM »

That sucks bigguns.   :'(
Hang in there man...   :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: My SE FatBoy back to the drawing board...
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2008, 07:10:47 AM »

Kona,
I feel for you, you better keep that bike forever!  I bet you put in more than you bought it for!

MikeD- ya know, I'm strapped for the battle if someone wants to take it from me. Two clips and a .9mm and it's Rockin' the SFV with pride. They will have to pry it from my cold dead hands, and that ain't easy. However, if the continuing saga gets out of hand, I might have to buckle down and sell it for my own sanity.

I love that ride, no doubt in my mind. But if this turns into  :beatdeadhorse: I'll have to seek the advise of my fellow CVO owners. How about a Jims 124 for a 145TQ and 145HP? That could solve the problem, huh?

Forever is a long time and exactly what I have in mind. Thanks.


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Re: My SE FatBoy back to the drawing board...
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2008, 08:15:33 AM »

I'm so sorry to hear this very sad story.  Not that it will help any, but you gotta know you are not the first, the last or the only, to have spent good money and time and not get exactly what you want first time out of the shoot.  I'm on my third fuel air management system, and second set of pipes cause the first one was not tuned right.  Buddy, we all feel for you.  If you can stand to keep up the fight, you will end up in the end with a fantastic motorcycle, that you already are in love with.  Good Luck.  You can come here anytime for venting and encouragement. 
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Re: My SE FatBoy back to the drawing board...
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2008, 03:33:01 PM »

So, the continuing saga.....you know the rest...

I got back with the owner of the former "World Thunder" bike shop that built my high end modified Monster SEFB. After 2 top end rebuilds (one cylinder at a time for some reason) I was weary and had butterflies in my gut cause I knew this guy was the responsible party for the initial screw up build, or I think I knew.

So, the dilemma is obvious, cross fired and stuck between the three vendors who's responsible for the lack of homework and not getting the performance parts matched up to par. With all of the finger pointing and "oh, I remember you, way back in the late summer...". Yeah, you remember cause I was in your face after your rebuild of $1800.00 plus lasted a whole 110 miles and you still owe me 2 SE Roller Rocker Arms that you over charged me for...Yeah it all comes back quickly.

Anyway, I give props to the former owner of World Thunder for being a stand up guy, taking on the project (get it back to performance normal 119TQ, 119HP) and breaking it down to me. It's been only a couple of days now and he's called a few times with progress.

Still there is the underlying thought of how much this round will cost me.

Most of you wouldn't believe I spent close to $9,000.00 for the engine mods. This is the most expensive school I have ever been to, and with no instuctor. And I graduated from UCLA!!

So, by sometime next week, I'll have the re-assembled SE Monster Fatty hopefully.

Want to take a bet how much it's going to cost me this round? Sell some squares like at the bar on Monday Night Football?  I'm thinkin up around $600 more....Stay Tuned.....


Mike K.
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Kona,

You cannot be serious! Is that picture how you bike looks right now? I must have missed somthing I thought it was all sorted after the 2 seperate top end rebuilds!

If your whole motor is out again I don't believe $600 is going very far at all.

I'll wait in disbelief for the out come of this round.

Some friendly advice. DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT TOUCHING THE MOTOR IN YOUR SERK! unless you find a someone who has built hundreds of HD 110" motors & you have spoken with at least 50 of the owners who have ridden at least 50,000 trouble free miles since the build!

Cheers
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Re: My SE FatBoy back to the drawing board...
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2008, 07:06:04 PM »

Unfortunately, I agree with Aussie. Either you have really cheap labour in your neck of the woods or this is already more than a 600 dollar job. I am not sure I could get a dealer to even pull my motor for under 600 bucks never mind crack it open, fix it and reinstall it.

And to think I am about to crack my own open with the help of a manual..... starting to sound a bit more scary than I had anticipated considering the last Harley motor and only harley motor I "HELPED" to build was a shovel. I am having to disamble and reassemble my bottom end for the simple fact that I want to send out the case halves for polishing. Too bad they can't do it while the motor is completely assembled.

I won't let this stop me though...........it may be the expensive lesson I need to learn on my own, but in the end my engine will be diamond cut and polished...........sorry my dreams are mine and it WILL BE DONE!

Any ideas of what I am going to encounter? In my mind it is simple, take off one side send it out get it back on flip it over take off the other side send it out a replace it without touching most of the internals. I know its not quiet that simple but the most simplistic way to describe my idea. I am pretty sure I can take off jugs.......I thought about upgrading the pistons since they will be right there...........not sure what to go with though so am thinking if the stock ones are not scortched badly I will just use them since the bike runs as decent as I could ever expect. Luckily I have not had any engine problems...........sure that will change after I get my curious hands on the insides......there is already much talk of gear drive cams in my mind as well. I want to keep the stock grind or close to it just gear instead of chain. Those damned voices!

That's the thing about owning a cruiser. I am a big fan of speed and power myself. I also realize that my bike for me will always be a cruiser. I am satisfied with my 107 lbs of torque and I don't need to go faster than 120mph on a F'n Fatboy so the 97  hp horsepower is fine. My only upgrades in the more power area are the SERT and a set of pipes. I don't mind investing in make it look a little better to me or in making it more reliable ( the cam shoe deal).......if I want more speed, handling, braking etc.....I find the 10,000 dollar litre bike crotch rocket a much better option out of the box. Hell, you could spend another 2 grand and get a zx-14 or a busa that out of the crate will smoke ANY H-D no matter how much work or money you put in it. Then you can return to concentrating on the important part of CVO ownership......CHROME, Chrome or more chrome and shiny stuff. :soapbox:

Are there alot of Fatboy owners out there that baught a Fatboy to RACE?
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Re: My SE FatBoy back to the drawing board...
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2008, 07:14:53 AM »

In all honesty, I wanted to upgrade my engine for reasons only my future therapist and ya'all would understand. One day I was riding my hella stock SE FatBoy around the neighborhood; I'm going up my usual turns and flats when this dude on a bagger ( I think ) comes up next to me, acknowledges my "Screamin' Eagle" and wants to play at a higher rate of rpms. At the time I was totally content cause I had just put on V&H 2-1 ProPipe and I was happening. DON'T LAUGH yet.....

So, he pulls up, and throws his wrist down and blam....He was all tail light and license plate. ...He blew me away with amazing torque and I thought I had a rather large displacement engine packed with Harley's best street/race parts from Screamin Eagle division.....

I hooked up with that same guy later that day: as with all bikers around here, we go to the cantina, blah blah blah, on Sundays; found his ride, found him and proceeded to embarrass my sorry ass with how little I actually knew about the real way to modify based on riding style and to know what results I want prior to the dumping of dead presidents into the local speed shop. I barely was able to speak the same language with him; which ironically I speak quite fluently today, thanks to hard research and this sites offerings.

If I knew anything that day, he surely didn't think so. So I spent considerable time, money and effort on my SE FatBoy only to have doubled my budget for the project, breakdown twice on one road trip and spent $4,000.00 plus for repairs, etc....Then have it done again by the guy who owned the performace shop that closed its doors before I returned with my limping FatBoy.

The other reason I really got involved to a much higher plane of understanding is simple: The 3,000 or more miles of riding this wonderful machine after the REAL TUNE I received in Hayward, CA were with no competition or any doubt: the best miles I have ever put on any vehicle, ever. The bike was soooo  sswweeettt, I swear to you all, as your friend and brother CVO owner, there is nothing even close to my SE FatBoy after that tune.

So, I suffer Euphoric Recall, and seek the moment that made me so outstandingly in touch with my Harley Davidson. I think I would have smoked the guy who inspired me if we had met again, during those 3,000 miles of riding. But, who cares? I learned, I am still learning, and as always now a days, I hopefully humble myself down to earth and respect our CVO's more than ever.

See, If I was out riding right now, I wouldn't be writing all the wordy diatribe on topics that I should be reading about instead.
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Re: My SE FatBoy back to the drawing board...
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2008, 07:26:35 AM »



Kona,

You cannot be serious! Is that picture how you bike looks right now? I must have missed somthing I thought it was all sorted after the 2 seperate top end rebuilds!

If your whole motor is out again I don't believe $600 is going very far at all.

I'll wait in disbelief for the out come of this round.

Some friendly advice. DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT TOUCHING THE MOTOR IN YOUR SERK! unless you find a someone who has built hundreds of HD 110" motors & you have spoken with at least 50 of the owners who have ridden at least 50,000 trouble free miles since the build!

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Aussie,
As you might have guessed, the two seperate top end jobs were half assed repairs to "get me back on the road". I have no faith in either of the shops for any further business, really. So, nothing is settled for the engine. In fact, I have been losing compression in the rear cylinder for a couple of months now. It has been dog slow on the freeway, no higher rpm at all; it just gets weaker and weaker around 4500 rpms and higher, so I don't even go there. Yeah, that's right, my dream ride is a bar hopper for now.

Promise made: I won't upgrade or do mods that are out of my scope of knowledge or out of my ability range with my new SERK. I have been in deep, and over my head for a short while now, and I can't stand it. I'll only go where I am knowing, and sure of it. I guess that leaves me with chrome bolts, huh? lol  There's always my OCD fixation to pay attention to....How about that Jims 124 with nitrous and a 400 rear tire......lol

By the way, I have already replaced 80% of the stock Zinc or whatever they used on these bolts and fasteners with Chrome ones. But you knew I would....


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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2008, 07:47:10 AM »

A COUPLE OF SHOT FOR MY FRIEND AUSSIE...
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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2008, 07:47:57 AM »

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Re: My SE FatBoy back to the drawing board...
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2008, 03:14:46 PM »

Kona,

That is looking mighty fine especially that 110 logo, I am jealous!

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« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2008, 04:18:44 PM »

Aussie,

Quit it. I have seen your intense 103" custom logo and in reality comparison mode..............: coming from you, I'll shut up and say thanks.


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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2008, 07:43:17 PM »

Well Kona at first I was all choked up about your SE Fatboy problems feeling really bad for ya. I do still feel bad for your situation but the sting is alot more mild knowing you have a SERK as well.  :o :2vrolijk_21:

As far as comparison stock to stock do you find the SERK to be much different in terms of power etc?

I bet the ride is much smoother.
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