One thing you're forgetting is that the stock ECM already makes adjustments for altitude (barometric pressure), temperature, etc.
No, not forgetting that. Been dealing with EFI (building engines, etc) for many years.
Yes, the result is dependent on the correction factors programmed into the system, but when programmed properly it's more than adequate for 98% of us.
Agreed - but, as in my other posts, the other 2% (and I think more!) don't have a dyno in easy reach, and even if they do, the tuner may be Krap, like mine was.
The additional precision obtained with wide band closed loop feedback is nice, and if money is no object it's something we all should have.
Properly tuned, wideband is unnecessary (almost all cars run narrowband sensors) - it's the getting properly tuned in the first place that's the problem!
However, when you consider where we all were just a few years back with our carb bikes, even just a SERT or PC with a canned map is a big improvement.
Agreed. Just as the first car was an improvement over a horse and cart. But it's easy to go better than that. so why not? Technology moves on and makes these things easier, so why not use that technology?
My point with my earlier post was that I believe some folks are trying to create this huge "need" where one doesn't really exist, at least for the majority of us, just to make a few more bucks. If your personal situation justifies the expense, go for it.
Yes, I'll go along with all of that; but there's more. Confidence. Confidence that at all times your bike is as good as it should be. Now THAT is lacking. I don't even mean producing that last bit of HP or torque, just adapting properly to the ambient conditions, and running well, & most of all, reliably. Particularly with the 110, let me tell you, that is one BIG concern! If spending $450 or so improves that - and lets face it, $450 buys next to nothing for our bikes - then it's money well spent.
Just remember the experiences of many with the T-Max Auto-Tune; you still need a very good base map for it to work correctly,
Like MY experience you mean?
and it doesn't do anything with ignition timing. This new system has those same limitations from what I read, other than the fact that the ion-sense knock sensing will still work.
<Jim gets déja vu> isn't this what I said at the start of the thread, Jerry? Due to my experience with the TMAT, the big limitation of which is that it does not use the Ion-sensor, I'd find anything that DID use it the answer to my prayers, following my experience in Spain last year?
Jim