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[skreminegul07]

Howie, I was surprised it took you 50 minutes to respond to the S&S motor comment.  I hope your killer motor is ready to rumble. 

[Hoist!]

Howie, I was surprised it took you 50 minutes to respond to the S&S motor comment.  I hope your killer motor is ready to rumble. 

I musta been asleep at the wheel Phil!

The motor's going very slow. Still waiting for the parts to come back correct. Hopefully next week we can start building it.

Hoist!

[Serkcus]

BayouBiker, Thanks for posting the pictures of the front cylinder leak, it appears to be exactly the same as mine, same place same stain.
I guess I'll also have to admit that there is no gasket there also. think that when the dealers techs were looking at it with a blue light affair it gave the appearance as if a Grey line like it would be a gasket. Don't ask me why the blue light, maybe they were trying to impress me with their hi-techiness. Sure made the black engine sparkle with dirt

[twojay]

BB, I am not at my office but I believe that this is the basic current lemon law in Louisiana. Good luck and let us know what happens. I already had one gasket changed on my 07 SERK and waiting for the next leak, like the rest of us. If you ever ride over towards Lake Charles, give me a call. Oh and it looks like you enjoyed Mardi Gras, even with the leaks. JJ

There is a presumption your auto, boat, motor home or ATV may be considered a lemon under the Louisiana lemon laws if:

Your new vehicle must have been out of service by reason for repair for a cumulative total of ninety or more calendar days.
or

The same mechanical defect has been under repair four or more times by the manufacturer or dealer within the warranty term or during a period of (1) one year following the date of the original delivery of the vehicle to you, whichever is earlier.
If this is the case with your vehicle, the manufacturer shall:

(1) Replace the motor vehicle with a comparable new motor vehicle, or, at its option,

(2) Accept return of the motor vehicle and refund the full purchase price plus any amounts paid by the consumer at the point of sale, and all collateral costs less a reasonable allowance for use to the consumer.

Under either of the options above, the manufacturer shall be entitled to a reasonable allowance of use directly attributable to the use of the vehicle by you.

[BayouBiker]

Serkus- This photo is of the rear cylinder leakage, but the last repair was on the front...
But hey, an oil leak is an oil leak!

[BayouBiker]

Hoist - Thank you for the rant - My sentiments EXACTLY!!

[BayouBiker]

There is a presumption your auto, boat, motor home or ATV may be considered a lemon under the Louisiana lemon laws if:

Your new vehicle must have been out of service by reason for repair for a cumulative total of ninety or more calendar days.
or

The same mechanical defect has been under repair four or more times by the manufacturer or dealer within the warranty term or during a period of (1) one year following the date of the original delivery of the vehicle to you, whichever is earlier.
If this is the case with your vehicle, the manufacturer shall:

(1) Replace the motor vehicle with a comparable new motor vehicle, or, at its option,

(2) Accept return of the motor vehicle and refund the full purchase price plus any amounts paid by the consumer at the point of sale, and all collateral costs less a reasonable allowance for use to the consumer.

Under either of the options above, the manufacturer shall be entitled to a reasonable allowance of use directly attributable to the use of the vehicle by you.

Hey JJ,
I had loads of fun for Mardi Gras, the parades & parties!
Thanks for the heads up on the LA lemon law.
Unfortunately, I think its more complicated than that for me, as the bike was purchased in NOLA, but immediately & currently titled in a different state...   
Its gonna take me alot of research on the subject to try & figure this one out as the state the bike is registered has a more consumer friendly law.

[skreminegul07]

Hey JJ,
I had loads of fun for Mardi Gras, the parades & parties!
Thanks for the heads up on the LA lemon law.
Unfortunately, I think its more complicated than that for me, as the bike was purchased in NOLA, but immediately & currently titled in a different state...   
Its gonna take me alot of research on the subject to try & figure this one out as the state the bike is registered has a more consumer friendly law.

Let us know how that multi state situation goes.
As far as depreciation, that's the sad part.  In Mass the life of a motorcylce as defined in the lemon law is 25000 miles, in NH where I bought mine its 20000mi.  Which means at 10K miles, you get half your money back.  Ain't these legislators a smart bunch?

[BayouBiker]

The state that the bike is registered in has their lemon law (in simple terms as I understand it) - 4 of the same repairs -and/or- 30 cumulative days of downtime.

The ladies I spoke to at HD corporate (Kathy & Ann) were very friendly, but wanted to check into the total time the bike has been in the shop (28 as of yesterday)

I feel this is gonna be difficult, plus I like this bike and don't want to trade to an 08 (no leather tour-pak & some aftermarket parts won't fit)


I wonder if I could match the purchase price in warranty repair $$?


 

[arcticdude]

Bayou,
I got mine back from the 2nd fix with the new head gaskets you're speaking of.  First set had the rivet, this set doesn't and look much thicker and pliable.  Had the base gasket leak as well with the first head gasket leak.  Didn't on this second one.  My dealer (who's always been good in the past) told me the same thing- there's not even a part number for these yet.  I'm with you, I like the bike, but having to replace head gaskets at every oil change should be considered excessive maintenance!

arctic

[fxdsebeloved]

Based on the parts list from my service ticket below, I had the old gaskets and not the new secret no part number ones.  Dam 


Pt#16801-07A Gasket, Cylinder Head (2)
Pt#10956 O-Ring (2)
Pt#11273 O-Ring (2)
Pt#17280-07 Cylinder Assy Black (2)
Pt#22285-07 Piston Ring Set (2)
Pt#17386-99A Gasket, Rocker Cover
Pt#16719-99A Gasket, Rocker Housing
Pt#17162-03 Gasket Kit, Breather

[Chief]

Based on the parts list from my service ticket below, I had the old gaskets and not the new secret no part number ones.  Dam 


Pt#16801-07A Gasket, Cylinder Head (2)
Pt#10956 O-Ring (2)
Pt#11273 O-Ring (2)
Pt#17280-07 Cylinder Assy Black (2)
Pt#22285-07 Piston Ring Set (2)
Pt#17386-99A Gasket, Rocker Cover
Pt#16719-99A Gasket, Rocker Housing
Pt#17162-03 Gasket Kit, Breather

When you found this out, you should have looked at the Service Manager and used your best Ahnuld voice and stated (c'mon, you can do it too) "I'll be back." 

I'm sorry. I couldn't resist.

[Dan_Lockwood]

This might seem strange, but maybe they changed the head gasket without removing and draining the oil from the stud passages, so it continues to seep.  Head gasket change doesn't require pulling cylinders, does it? Unless you are aware of this issue, which nobody from HD seems to be.

This is making more and more sense to me the more I think about it.

What is the procedure for replacing a leaking headgasket?  Do they break the cylinders loose and re-o-ring the base of the cylinder when doing the headgasket?  Did they as skreminegul07 said, just leave the cylinder stud bores full of oil?  Without a base gasket on the outside area where the stud bore is, I would think that over time and a few heat cycles that the accumulated oil would wick out like you see in the picture.

Wouldn't it be weird if the base leaks have all been because of a bad headgasket?

I'm just rambling not, got to go back to work...

[fxdsebeloved]

Quite allright  I have to laugh at the whole thing.  getting P-OED won't help .  I'm just another R&D bike  

[Chief]

This is making more and more sense to me the more I think about it.

What is the procedure for replacing a leaking headgasket?  Do they break the cylinders loose and re-o-ring the base of the cylinder when doing the headgasket?  Did they as skreminegul07 said, just leave the cylinder stud bores full of oil?  Without a base gasket on the outside area where the stud bore is, I would think that over time and a few heat cycles that the accumulated oil would wick out like you see in the picture.

Wouldn't it be weird if the base leaks have all been because of a bad headgasket?

I'm just rambling not, got to go back to work...

The standard procedure is to use a top end gasket kit 17052-99B. This box comes with 4 head gaskets that are thrown in the trash when working on the 110s. The head gaskets in the kit are for the 3 3/4" bore motors (88"/96") and the 3 7/8" 95"/103" motors. The shop then uses the latest 4" bore 16801-07A or the experimental gasket.

The rest of the parts in the kit are all of the other o-rings and gaskets used in the top end. This includes push rod tubes, cylinder bases, rocker box and cover gaskets. It even contains new breather gaskets because they have to be removed too.

Since the kit comes with all of these gaskets and o-rings, it makes sense that the shop would actually use them, but there is no guarantee that they did.