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Helmet law could be changing in Ontario
« on: February 19, 2008, 09:27:10 AM »

BRAMPTON, Ont. - Forcing a devout, motorcycle-riding Sikh to choose between his turban and a helmet is denying him the right to religious freedom, human rights lawyers argued Friday as Baljinder Badesha's fight against a $110 fine took on the character of a constitutional challenge.
Obliged to wear turbans outside the home, devout Sikhs who want to ride motorcycles are effectively forbidden from a "normal social activity available to all other Ontarians," Owen Rees, a lawyer with the Ontario Human Rights Commission, told the court.
"What the state is saying to Mr. Badesha is you have to choose between your religious beliefs or (abstain) in order to ride the motorbike," Rees said.
The helmet requirement under the province's Highway Traffic Act "discriminates" against Badesha because it violates his constitutional rights, Rees added.
Similar challenges have seen exemptions made for Sikh motorcyclists in British Columbia and Manitoba. The United Kingdom, Hong Kong and India also allow devout Sikhs to forego the helmet.
"My religion says we cannot put anything over our turban," Badesha said outside court. "I like to ride the motorcycles, so that's why we fight the case."
While government lawyers said they did not contest Badesha's religious beliefs, they remained unswayed by the argument that denying non-helmeted riders access to motorcycles violates the Constitution.
"There is no suggestion that riding a motorcycle is a protected religious belief," Crown lawyer Michael Dunn told the hearing.
"Riding a motorcycle, that is significantly different than the interests that have been found to be violated... in other cases."
Scott Hutchison, who also represents the commission, argued the seatbelt law makes exemptions for disabled people who cannot wear them but still need to drive.
Ontario Court Justice James Blacklock countered with the distinction that devout Sikhs "could still operate a motor vehicle on the road - it just wouldn't be a motorcycle."
The Crown also argued that helmet laws protect against devastating head injuries and save the public health-care system millions of dollars.
Non-fatal motorcycle accidents can cost the public purse up to $2.4 million, while fatal crashes can eat up almost $20 million, according to Crown documents filed with the court.
The defence pointed out that those numbers, while they may appear large, represent only a fraction of Ontario's $38-billion annual budget for health care.
Badesha, who said he hasn't ridden his motorcycle since he was ticketed in 2005, played down the risks involved in riding helmet-free.
"Risk is involved with the helmet, too," he said outside court, pointing to the 50 motorcyclists who die in crashes each year in the province while wearing one.
"Even the risk in the cars, people are dying in the cars too."
Devout Sikhs comprise 0.2 per cent of Ontario's population.
If all devout Sikhs in the province chose to ride motorcycles without wearing helmets, 99.8 per cent of all motorcyclists would still be wearing them, said Hutchison. The impact on the health-care system would be minimal, he added.
"There are lots of deaths and brain injuries among motorcyclists wearing helmets right now," he told the court.
"If Ontario was serious about (addressing the danger) they would ban motorcycles."
Outside court, defence lawyer Mel Sokosky said the judge's ruling would apply only to Badesha.
"It stands to reason that if he succeeds then all other people in the same situation should also be able to succeed," said Sokosky.
"It's not a blanket exemption unless the Ontario legislature sees fit to make it the law, an exemption for devout Sikhs."
Arguments were scheduled to resume Tuesday.
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http://www.macleans.ca/canada/wire/article.jsp?content=n021583A
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Re: Helmet law could be changing in Ontario
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2008, 10:07:00 AM »

 :vrolijk_11: :vrolijk_11:

Interesting.  I'll be surrounded by states and provinces where helmets are no longer mandatory then (Pennsylvania, Ohio, Ontario).  I've ridden so much in NY that it looks odd to see riders without helmets.
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Re: Helmet law could be changing in Ontario
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2008, 10:11:57 AM »

:vrolijk_11: :vrolijk_11:

Interesting.  I'll be surrounded by states and provinces where helmets are no longer mandatory then (Pennsylvania, Ohio, Ontario).  I've ridden so much in NY that it looks odd to see riders without helmets.
Maybe a religious conversion is in order?   :nixweiss:
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Re: Helmet law could be changing in Ontario
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2008, 10:45:41 AM »

If he can't put a helmet over his turban, make a custom helmet with the turban over it.  Seems simple enough to me.  I don't know how you could ride a motorcycle with a turban on anyway.  Wouldn't the wind blow it off?  It's not held on with a chin-strap or anything is it?  :nixweiss:

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Re: Helmet law could be changing in Ontario
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2008, 10:49:46 AM »

If he can't put a helmet over his turban, make a custom helmet with the turban over it.  Seems simple enough to me.  I don't know how you could ride a motorcycle with a turban on anyway.  Wouldn't the wind blow it off?  It's not held on with a chin-strap or anything is it?  :nixweiss:

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turban with chin strap!   :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :ROFLOL:
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Re: Helmet law could be changing in Ontario
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2008, 08:40:04 AM »

Fiberglass a turbin up paint it cvo colors and slap a DOT sticker and off you go :D
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Re: Helmet law could be changing in Ontario
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2008, 08:55:37 AM »

It seems the separation of church and state only applies one way.  We can't say Christmas trees, but religion can excempt a person from following laws or allowing special excemptions because of religious beliefs. Example, covered faces on driver's licenses, or medical staff not being forced to roll up their sleeves to wash berfore a procedure because it exposes their flesh.

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Re: Helmet law could be changing in Ontario
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2008, 09:43:55 PM »

If he can't put a helmet over his turban, make a custom helmet with the turban over it.  Seems simple enough to me.  I don't know how you could ride a motorcycle with a turban on anyway.  Wouldn't the wind blow it off?  It's not held on with a chin-strap or anything is it?  :nixweiss:

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bunjies or duct tape.  :huepfenlol2:
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Re: Helmet law could be changing in Ontario
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2008, 09:20:57 AM »

I'd like to know how he got his motorcycle license in Ontario... when he took the test he would have had to have a helmet on.

I think the cops dropped the ball, charged him with riding without a helmet but missed the fact that he wasn't properly licensed.

He is a used car salesman and may be more interested in the free advertising his company is receiving!
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Re: Helmet law could be changing in Ontario
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2008, 11:31:25 AM »

He probably had a Motorcycle license in India. When he moved to Ontario he just applied for a transfer which does not include a test. Same deal as my friends that moved from Ontario to Florida, no test, just show the Florida office your Ontario license and they give you a Florida license.
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Re: Helmet law could be changing in Ontario
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2008, 04:25:45 AM »

If he can't put a helmet over his turban, make a custom helmet with the turban over it.  Seems simple enough to me.  I don't know how you could ride a motorcycle with a turban on anyway.  Wouldn't the wind blow it off?  It's not held on with a chin-strap or anything is it?  :nixweiss:

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I Think that it should be anchored down with threaded rod.
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Re: Helmet law could be changing in Ontario
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2008, 04:35:53 AM »

It seems the separation of church and state only applies one way.  We can't say Christmas trees, but religion can excempt a person from following laws or allowing special excemptions because of religious beliefs. Example, covered faces on driver's licenses, or medical staff not being forced to roll up their sleeves to wash berfore a procedure because it exposes their flesh.

I'll tell you. Crap like that burns my butt. I have lived in Ontario almost all my life, pay way too much taxes, Yet if I was to ride down the street without a helmet they'ed nail my arse to the wall before I made it to the first stoplight. I think you live in my country, take advantage of our health & school system either obey the law as CANADIANS have to or get the f....k out. Sorry just the way I feel. In Canada grades 1 to 8 it is customary before school starts each morning to have our Canada national anthem played through the PA system at school each morning. All the ethnic groups including Jehovah's Witness' etc don't stand because it is against their beliefs. Then I say go home!!!!!!
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Re: Helmet law could be changing in Ontario
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2008, 11:05:51 AM »

I Think that it should be anchored down with threaded rod.

I'll loan him my hammer drill for some Tapcon screws. :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Helmet law could be changing in Ontario
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2008, 11:15:47 AM »

I guess we won't see many Sihk's playing hockey or pro football or skydiving or SCUBA diving or piloting the shuttle or anything that requires head protection in the near future.

What a crock.

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Re: Helmet law could be changing in Ontario
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2008, 12:15:02 PM »

doesn't the Baptist church require it's congregation to abstain from the intoxicating effects of fermented beverages?  yeah right!
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