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[spydglide]

Is this something that has happened before and why you mentioned it?

Yup, a legacy 06 problem....

......the "thumb prints in the paint" problem was started in '05......the " peeling chrome" was '04 , If I'm remembering correctly.  har!  spyder

[WFP]

2003 SED had overlaps in the gold leaf...my replacement tank did not...

but with the ding in it, I am sad...would have preferred the overlaps

[spydglide]

2003 SED had overlaps in the gold leaf...my replacement tank did not...

but with the ding in it, I am sad...would have preferred the overlaps

Guess they wouldn't let you switch back, huh?    har!    spyder

[SPIDERMAN]

that you should start a new topic!

Bill
     My point was to start a discussion on when/where H-D started to backslide to the bad old days of AMF and use that as a starting point for what we'd truly like to see in the 2009 models. Probably the Moderators will go into eplileptic siezures when they read this, but I'm all for creating a petition to send to H-D Inc from the 5,500+ members of this sight, written with all due respect and intelligence, but nonetheless outlining what we see as the major issues facing them from the customers viewpoint and what we'd like to see for the future. If you've ever participated in one of H-D's survey's, the are tailored to a pre-ordained conclusion. Basically some H-D VP schmuck tells the markey research company he hires that he wants the survey to conclude such and such. If you've ever worked for corporation the size of General Dynamics as I do, you've seen this type of BS go on in relocation surveys etc. Anyway, I was just thinking if we could point to a particular year where we agreed that the MoCo had their proverbial chit together as a means of expressing our hope for future model years.
Maybe I'm being naive, but I have to believe they'll listen to 5,500 plus customers speaking in unison.

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[naitram]

Bill
     My point was to start a discussion on when/where H-D started to backslide to the bad old days of AMF and use that as a starting point for what we'd truly like to see in the 2009 models. Probably the Moderators will go into eplileptic siezures when they read this, but I'm all for creating a petition to send to H-D Inc from the 5,500+ members of this sight, written with all due respect and intelligence, but nonetheless outlining what we see as the major issues facing them from the customers viewpoint and what we'd like to see for the future. If you've ever participated in one of H-D's survey's, the are tailored to a pre-ordained conclusion. Basically some H-D VP schmuck tells the markey research company he hires that he wants the survey to conclude such and such. If you've ever worked for corporation the size of General Dynamics as I do, you've seen this type of BS go on in relocation surveys etc. Anyway, I was just thinking if we could point to a particular year where we agreed that the MoCo had their proverbial chit together as a means of expressing our hope for future model years.
Maybe I'm being naive, but I have to believe they'll listen to 5,500 plus customers speaking in unison.

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i'll go with niave on this one Brian. 5500+ is far below 1% of the people that will but a new ride this yr and most of us have not bought new in the last 2+ yrs we might register as an annoying insect at best

[SBB]

i'll go with niave on this one Brian. 5500+ is far below 1% of the people that will but a new ride this yr and most of us have not bought new in the last 2+ yrs we might register as an annoying insect at best

Damn!
Our chairman has a way of cutting thru the B/S and laying it out there!

Kinda like being a pimple on a dimple on a gnats ass!
Meaning------> (Does the MoCo really cares if we are not buy something new every year)
 

[grandpadoc]

Well for what its worth, you can tell Willie I passed on purchasing a new bike last year because of the problems with the 110's. My 95 incher seems to be the limit with EPA legal bikes. The 110's would probably be fine as a carborated  bike running 101 octane and a little on the rich side to keep cool. Those days are long gone and without a big inch liquid cooled motor even being rumored yet, I'm happy with what I've got.
doc

[vagabond6542]

Make sure to bring whatever you're smoking to CHL.

I had to come back and add....

And be prepared to share.

Yeahhhh.. I agree.

[miker]

Yeahhhh.. I agree.

Ask and ye shall receive...

[pjpork]

I think a message from 5500 people who spend a significant amount of money on their products, would certainly give them something to think about. Even if they think we are a bunch of maggots, maggots don't usually bother anything that is alive
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[NukeIT]

i'll go with niave on this one Brian. 5500+ is far below 1% of the people that will but a new ride this yr and most of us have not bought new in the last 2+ yrs we might register as an annoying insect at best

This very well maybe be true but histroy has taught us that we should try anyways... It only takes one to start a revolution....

We may have been less than 1% of new bike purchases but if they get enough similar phrased concerns, and I don't just mean from us but ever disgruntled customer. change can happen slow.....

[grandpadoc]

This very well maybe be true but histroy has taught us that we should try anyways... It only takes one to start a revolution....

We may have been less than 1% of new bike purchases but if they get enough similar phrased concerns, and I don't just mean from us but ever disgruntled customer. change can happen slow.....

...   not even one percenters !!

[SPIDERMAN]

...   not even one percenters !!

So who would like to write the petition ?  Also, I expect that we need Neal's approval to post it on the site here for some sort of electronic signature from those willing to support it. This is where I kinda dumb up. I only too glad to help, but doing this in cyberspace is not my forte.

 
1st things first, Neal, do you object ?

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[naitram]

B, we're not setup to do a petition with our software but i tried a google search

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=create+online+petitions

looks like plenty of sites setup to do nothing but petitions

you could also get a biger group then just CVO site members

[SPIDERMAN]

i'll go with niave on this one Brian. 5500+ is far below 1% of the people that will but a new ride this yr and most of us have not bought new in the last 2+ yrs we might register as an annoying insect at best

I just put this to a test. I called customer service to ask a question about converting LD to a hydraulic clutch. Believe me when I say I understand parts manuals and I haven't been able to figure this out. The blankety blank who took my call (after the most idiotic repetitious automated phone system I've ever encountered) claimed they did not offer tech assistance. She got down right rude when I explained that the local dealers hire part time help at minimum wage who are lucky to read let alone understand the vagaries of parts fitment.

I have to conclude based on the inhospitable automated phone answering system (like their in cahoots with the cell companies to ensure you burn up 30 minutes just to get to somebody you can talk to)  AND, the don't give a F_ _k attitude of the female dog who took my call, THAT THEY WOULDN'T GIVE A RAT'S A$$ about our petition even with 10,000 signatures on it.  Dudes(and Dudettes) the frikkin IRS is more friendly by a country frikkin mile than H-D Inc. 

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