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[VaEagle]

Interesting information about petitions and e-petitions here:

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.asp


If it is true that the MOCO is reading this and other websites I would like to see an ownership survey that is done that would try and show problems based on model type and year and also allow positive comments so it will come across as balanced.This way the MOCO can look at information in total and not as a squeaky wheel wanting some grease type of thing. I can only hope someone is compiling information on whether our problems are in the minority or majority of bikes.
Most companies have those surveys when you first get a bike,car or truck but they should be done in later years when problems crop up and the "newness" wears off.
Maybe a survey that we could hand out to every Harley Owner we meet asking them to fill out and mail in directly to a MOCO executive would wake things up somewhat. Also what if at all those meet and greet events like HOG and Sturgis, Daytona while we stand in line to get Wille G's and other's autograph or photo we hand delivered our completed survey?
I personally feel that MOCO is doing what they can considering the tough government regulations for noise and pollution and balancing that with trying to keep a customer base that is steeped in tradition and wants the old engine design that is not really suited to modern regulations etc. They may be just treading water until a water cooled "modern" design is mandated. If you think about it in a psychological way it will make it easier for many owners to make the change over to the "New Improved,trouble- free, water cooled motor" if it is marketed in that manner and it proves true that the "New" motor is faster and more trouble free than the "Old" motor we now have.

[SPIDERMAN]

Interesting information about petitions and e-petitions here:

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.asp


If it is true that the MOCO is reading this and other websites I would like to see an ownership survey that is done that would try and show problems based on model type and year and also allow positive comments so it will come across as balanced.This way the MOCO can look at information in total and not as a squeaky wheel wanting some grease type of thing. I can only hope someone is compiling information on whether our problems are in the minority or majority of bikes.
Most companies have those surveys when you first get a bike,car or truck but they should be done in later years when problems crop up and the "newness" wears off.
Maybe a survey that we could hand out to every Harley Owner we meet asking them to fill out and mail in directly to a MOCO executive would wake things up somewhat. Also what if at all those meet and greet events like HOG and Sturgis, Daytona while we stand in line to get Wille G's and other's autograph or photo we hand delivered our completed survey?
I personally feel that MOCO is doing what they can considering the tough government regulations for noise and pollution and balancing that with trying to keep a customer base that is steeped in tradition and wants the old engine design that is not really suited to modern regulations etc. They may be just treading water until a water cooled "modern" design is mandated. If you think about it in a psychological way it will make it easier for many owners to make the change over to the "New Improved,trouble- free, water cooled motor" if it is marketed in that manner and it proves true that the "New" motor is faster and more trouble free than the "Old" motor we now have.

Interesting persepctive and I do agree with the need for positive comments. Fair and Balanced has taken a beating due to FOX Noise, but it's the best way to get and hold your listeners attention. A) Tell him what he's doing right then B) tell him what he's doing wrong and show him how correcting B will lead to more of A which should in theory translate in to C) Increased sales.

As to the latter part of your comments, that's just cynical enough to have some validity.

B B

[ccr]

...Dudes(and Dudettes) the frikkin IRS is more friendly by a country frikkin mile than H-D Inc. 

B B

I'll share your opinion with my upper management .......   

[bbrown]

Anybody heard what will be the model line up for the 2009 SE's

[Banana man]

Interesting persepctive and I do agree with the need for positive comments. Fair and Balanced has taken a beating due to FOX Noise, but it's the best way to get and hold your listeners attention. A) Tell him what he's doing right then B) tell him what he's doing wrong and show him how correcting B will lead to more of A which should in theory translate in to C) Increased sales.

As to the latter part of your comments, that's just cynical enough to have some validity.

B B

I worked at a dealership for 6 yrs and no body wants to be verbally
beat up. Normally it will make that person want to get defensive, and
that will accomplish nothing. Your A, B and C idea is how we should
communicate with anyone if we want to see improvement. IMHO


                                             Mark

[SPIDERMAN]

Anybody heard what will be the model line up for the 2009 SE's

Twolane's sister has a babysitter who's cousin is a maid at Willie G's house. We've gotten the lowdown before via that channel.

B B

[vagabond6542]

Twolane's sister has a babysitter who's cousin is a maid at Willie G's house. We've gotten the lowdown before via that channel.

B B

Love the reliability, Har. 

[VaEagle]

I saw a dealership's expected shipment list for the first quarter model year 2009 today at Bayside Harley-Davidson in Portsmouth Va.
The list shows a 2009 SE ElectraGlide Ultra in Autumn Haze and Orange due in July.
A 2009 SE RoadGlide in Orange and Black due in July.
Later in the year they are expecting a SE Ultra in Yellow and I think Silver as well as a SE Roadglide in Red and Black.
Contact the sales manager there - a Mr. Chuck Delaney for more info.
His phone number is (757)397-5550 and has a fax# (757)397-5513 or by email at sales@harleybay.com

They will take deposits on expected bike too.

[LabRat]

4 Ultras in a row....Geez and 2 baggers in the same year? What are they thinking?

[bisounours]

I saw a dealership's expected shipment list for the first quarter model year 2009 today at Bayside Harley-Davidson in Portsmouth Va.
The list shows a 2009 SE ElectraGlide Ultra in Autumn Haze and Orange due in July.
A 2009 SE RoadGlide in Orange and Black due in July.
Later in the year they are expecting a SE Ultra in Yellow and I think Silver as well as a SE Roadglide in Red and Black.
Contact the sales manager there - a Mr. Chuck Delaney for more info.
His phone number is (757)397-5550 and has a fax# (757)397-5513 or by email at sales@harleybay.com

They will take deposits on expected bike too.

Are they 110 ci ?

Jacques

[VaEagle]

The sales manager did NOT have any technical info on the bikes yet only the model designation, colors ,and expected shipping dates. He did have a color chart for the 2009 models EXCEPT the CVO colors.
Sorry no more info at this time.

[SBB]

4 Ultras in a row....Geez and 2 baggers in the same year? What are they thinking?

Must be thinking,

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Would be my guess!

 

[naitram]

Must be thinking,

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Would be my guess!

 

i'll second that

[DCFIREMANN]

Must be thinking,

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Would be my guess!

 

YEA WHAT HE SAID!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[bbrown]

Wow, I am surprised.  I thought they would move away from the ultra and try a street glide, SEEG , or softail classic