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Re: New 2009 Harley's
« Reply #165 on: May 14, 2008, 01:57:58 PM »


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Re: New 2009 Harley's
« Reply #166 on: May 14, 2008, 02:27:45 PM »

<----could this be directed at someone in particular in the SERK arena?  :nixweiss:  :bananarock:

No way Joe! You know better than that. Don is such an angel he'd never say that to anyone here! ::) :P ;D ;)






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Re: New 2009 Harley's
« Reply #167 on: May 15, 2008, 08:32:56 AM »

But you missed out on all the fun with the 110's.


Ya  thats toooooo bad I missed out on that.
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Re: New 2009 Harley's
« Reply #168 on: May 15, 2008, 11:57:10 AM »

No way Joe! You know better than that. Don is such an angel he'd never say that to anyone here! ::) :P ;D ;)






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Re: New 2009 Harley's
« Reply #169 on: May 15, 2008, 01:35:53 PM »

    Rumor has it that the MoCo monitors this website. I wonder what they glean from it if they do. By that I mean, you have to be a regular participant on the site to truly understand some of the threads. At a glance and from an occasional visitors perspective, one might think we're a bunch of whiners and this site exists as a place to vent our spleens. Closer examination reveals a group of people deeply commited to the Harley-Davidson brand who simply wish the MoCo would pay more attention to their complaints. Complaints it should be noted that come from people who ride between 10,000 and 30,000 miles per year, maintain their vehicles religiously and go out of their way to seek products and ideas to aid those vehicles in performing better and to their true potential. As such, when we (CVOHarley.com) speak, the MoCo should listen. We purchase their top of the line vehicles and live lifestyles that revolve around riding those vehicles. I believe that makes us just a bit of a better focus group than your average weekend warrior.
   I have on this thread and other's similar posted disparaging remarks about the 110 platform. I have done so not to diss any member's ride, but because everyone I've talked to has a story to tell about their 110. While people cite 30% as the number of 110's experiencing problems, my own personal and informal survey would seem to indicate that the number is closer to 100% if the threshold is problem free. Nobody I've spoken with seems to have put any mileage on one of these motors without some issue be it small or large. As Beagle can tell you, nobody is more into each new model year than me, and yet I have not purchased a new Screamin Eagle model since 2005. My current ride started out as a stock 07 96" Road Glide and grew into a faux CVO out of frustration with waiting for the MoCo to get off the Electra-Glide bandwagon and build another SERG. Due to all of the negative information surrounding the 110 platform, I have not had the slightest interest in purchasing a new ride. And yet, in Sedona I saw many 110's cruising down the highway ticking off the miles like Swiss watches. Further investigation revealed modifications made to reach the level of functionality.
   So, I would say to the MoCo, whether you choose to admit it or not, the 110 is a clunker and should be scrapped. To fill in the gap between this action and the point in time in which a water-cooled H-D is finally put on the market, I believe a reliable 113 can be built with the parts H-D currently has on the shelf. To be sure, given CARB and EPA regs, it's not going to be the 113 some of our site members have built, but it would be a huge improvement over the 110.
   And that's my opinion and in my dreams I see someone from H-D Inc reading this and taking action

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Re: New 2009 Harley's
« Reply #170 on: May 15, 2008, 02:19:52 PM »

"squeaky wheel gets the grease"  --"bitch loud enough long enough-someone will listen"  etc;  etc;  etc...
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Re: New 2009 Harley's
« Reply #171 on: May 15, 2008, 02:26:50 PM »

I agree. My 04 has been a great machine even thought the chrome came off everything.  (they did fix)...the mechanical has been solid at least through 24,000 miles  and have been reluctant to try a new one...
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Re: New 2009 Harley's
« Reply #172 on: May 15, 2008, 02:34:05 PM »

You're right on B.B.!!  :2vrolijk_21:  :2vrolijk_21:

We do vent a bit, but hey we're loyal, paying customers and as you point out understand and maintain our MOCO products probably better than most others. Pointing out issues and recommded improvements isn't really bitchin, it's more like constructive criticism.

If HD doesn't start really listening, and improving their products, many of us will start looking at other brands for our riding pleasure and there will be a lot of HD t-shirts, jackets, and chit showing up in ebay. IMHO.


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Re: New 2009 Harley's
« Reply #173 on: May 15, 2008, 04:14:28 PM »

    Rumor has it that the MoCo monitors this website. I wonder what they glean from it if they do. By that I mean, you have to be a regular participant on the site to truly understand some of the threads. At a glance and from an occasional visitors perspective, one might think we're a bunch of whiners and this site exists as a place to vent our spleens. Closer examination reveals a group of people deeply commited to the Harley-Davidson brand who simply wish the MoCo would pay more attention to their complaints. Complaints it should be noted that come from people who ride between 10,000 and 30,000 miles per year, maintain their vehicles religiously and go out of their way to seek products and ideas to aid those vehicles in performing better and to their true potential. As such, when we (CVOHarley.com) speak, the MoCo should listen. We purchase their top of the line vehicles and live lifestyles that revolve around riding those vehicles. I believe that makes us just a bit of a better focus group than your average weekend warrior.
   I have on this thread and other's similar posted disparaging remarks about the 110 platform. I have done so not to diss any member's ride, but because everyone I've talked to has a story to tell about their 110. While people cite 30% as the number of 110's experiencing problems, my own personal and informal survey would seem to indicate that the number is closer to 100% if the threshold is problem free. Nobody I've spoken with seems to have put any mileage on one of these motors without some issue be it small or large. As Beagle can tell you, nobody is more into each new model year than me, and yet I have not purchased a new Screamin Eagle model since 2005. My current ride started out as a stock 07 96" Road Glide and grew into a faux CVO out of frustration with waiting for the MoCo to get off the Electra-Glide bandwagon and build another SERG. Due to all of the negative information surrounding the 110 platform, I have not had the slightest interest in purchasing a new ride. And yet, in Sedona I saw many 110's cruising down the highway ticking off the miles like Swiss watches. Further investigation revealed modifications made to reach the level of functionality.
   So, I would say to the MoCo, whether you choose to admit it or not, the 110 is a clunker and should be scrapped. To fill in the gap between this action and the point in time in which a water-cooled H-D is finally put on the market, I believe a reliable 113 can be built with the parts H-D currently has on the shelf. To be sure, given CARB and EPA regs, it's not going to be the 113 some of our site members have built, but it would be a huge improvement over the 110.
   And that's my opinion and in my dreams I see someone from H-D Inc reading this and taking action

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BB,
I respectively disagree with a couple of items in your post.  Yes, only a couple!

First, I don't think all 110's are clunkers.  I do agree with what you said about an outsider skimming thru this site would think we are a bunch of whiners.  But if you look closely there are a lot of very happy 110 owners on this site, including me.  Yes, I had an oil leak at 5k.  It was repaired PROPERLY on first attempt by my dealer.  I now have 18k without another leak!  I really believe a lot of these repeat oil leak repairs are due to techs that don't know what the he** they are doin'!

Second,  I don't think spending 35k on a bike makes you a better HD enthusiast or someone who the MOCO should show preferential treatment to (or listen more intently to).  There's lots of guys out there riding 10k Harley's that love the lifestyle and ride just as much as we do!   

Besides, if you have to spend that much for the MOCO to listen to your concerns that puts you out of the loop!
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Re: New 2009 Harley's
« Reply #174 on: May 15, 2008, 09:09:34 PM »

I agree with your post, Spiderman.
     Today people have many opportunities to purchase other items of neccesity and wants. The only line you have to stand in is the one you choice too. Basically, if you don't like the item search else where.
     When you purchase other items extended warranties are offered as well car, TV, house, etc.....
 Take it or leave it.
   
    I understand your passion, that is one of the reasons why you have what you have.

     My old ride was a 97 Superglide and I am glad I upgraded. I picked my bike up Jan 28 08 and currently have 2,000 miles with no issues. (except no cup holder yet!) I know that is small fries compared to others in the site but I still love my ride and I will use the extended warrantee if necessary. (choice)

 Let the MOCO browse the site, I would take that as a compliment.  :2vrolijk_21: That means they are trying to fix problems that exist today. I understand still some gray area but everyone needs to make a bucket.

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Re: New 2009 Harley's
« Reply #175 on: May 17, 2008, 11:24:08 AM »

I drove my SE4 from dealer with Reinhart TD and SE stage I A/C and a canned map for SERT (because we can not Dyno a new engine).  Yes, I had problem with Speedo communication with security module and it was resolved by replacing it.  But as far as the engine,  I have no heat problem.  The bike has only 700 miles on it and I'm getting ready for Dyno tune.  I checked the cylinders for temp. yesterday, after riding 30 miles in about 40 min. and pushing it up to 80-85 MPH, keeping the rpm between 2000 and 3500 (they say over 2000 rpm, it runs leaner and gets hotter), the front cylinder was 218 and back was at 315.  I would not call it hot ride.  We ride Harley because we don't want to settle or compromise and there is no company out there that can build a bike to every ones specs.  No matter what the MoCo does, we would still modify and customize to our hearts desire and there is no other bike out there that you can change as much as a hog.  If you're not into customizing, then get a rice burner and ride happily ever after.  I still have my 05 RCI and just yesterday took it out for warm up, I used to think that bike was best ride ever, not any more.  It felt like riding a moppet comparing to my 110.  I love my SE4.  :bananarock:  It's not a clunker.  MoCo can not do every thing for us because of regs, but they do provide ways for us to do it ourselves   :2vrolijk_21:

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Re: New 2009 Harley's
« Reply #176 on: May 17, 2008, 01:40:49 PM »

It seems there are a few that are perfectly happy with their 110.  I had a friend tell me "I don't post anything on that site because my bike runs fine".

However, I think that most would have to agree that there have been more issues with the 110" motor than the predecessors (103, 88, 80, and Evos).  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I shared with a member of this site yesterday (that has had many issues with his 110) that I know I'm not alone when I say that I'm very glad that I've got a 103" motor.  That's not to rub it in for those with 110 issues but rather to say that we empathize with the problems and hopefully there is a cure for the problem just around the corner. 

We know the MoCo views this site, at least periodically and I am sure that they're aware that there is a problem and that they're doing what they can (within reason.....they still have stock holders to answer to) to resolve this issue.  Kind of like the peeling chrome issue that reared it's ugly head in late 04 and throughout 05......the MoCo didn't publically acknowledge it and many dealerships denied knowledge of a rampant issue.....however, the MoCo did get on that issue and get it corrected (evetually) and now, for the most part, it's a faded memory.  I hope this same course comes to be the same (sooner rather than later) for the 110 issues.
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Re: New 2009 Harley's
« Reply #177 on: May 17, 2008, 07:18:49 PM »

It seems there are a few that are perfectly happy with their 110.  I had a friend tell me "I don't post anything on that site because my bike runs fine".

However, I think that most would have to agree that there have been more issues with the 110" motor than the predecessors (103, 88, 80, and Evos).  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I shared with a member of this site yesterday (that has had many issues with his 110) that I know I'm not alone when I say that I'm very glad that I've got a 103" motor.  That's not to rub it in for those with 110 issues but rather to say that we empathize with the problems and hopefully there is a cure for the problem just around the corner. 

We know the MoCo views this site, at least periodically and I am sure that they're aware that there is a problem and that they're doing what they can (within reason.....they still have stock holders to answer to) to resolve this issue.  Kind of like the peeling chrome issue that reared it's ugly head in late 04 and throughout 05......the MoCo didn't publically acknowledge it and many dealerships denied knowledge of a rampant issue.....however, the MoCo did get on that issue and get it corrected (evetually) and now, for the most part, it's a faded memory.  I hope this same course comes to be the same (sooner rather than later) for the 110 issues.

All I can say is all their new issue engines wind up with some kinda problem or another. And MoCo EVENTUALLY comes up with a fix and stands behind them. But stock engines need so much help anyway, ya might as well just get it right and the way you want it, right from the beginning yourself! My 110 runs awesome now, no thanks to MoCo! FTF & FTW!!! ;)

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Re: New 2009 Harley's
« Reply #178 on: May 17, 2008, 09:40:10 PM »

All I can say is all their new issue engines wind up with some kinda problem or another. And MoCo EVENTUALLY comes up with a fix and stands behind them. But stock engines need so much help anyway, ya might as well just get it right and the way you want it, right from the beginning yourself! My 110 runs awesome now, no thanks to MoCo! FTF & FTW!!! ;)

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We'll see what 2009 brings. :nixweiss:
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Re: New 2009 Harley's
« Reply #179 on: May 17, 2008, 10:07:03 PM »

You would think they would outsource to someone who would get it right, you think?!?
We'll see what 2009 brings. :nixweiss:

Part of the problem is they outsource now - to China... :( :smilie_daumenneg:
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