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[VAZHOG]

I know that the bling and flashy stuff can be added to any bike but what gets me about Harley at times is the fact that it's hard to just turn the key on the bike and ride. Usually you have to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars to get it to run properly. The metric bikes can run properly right out of the box and they don't need many mods. I do agree they are dependable transportation and that they don't have the character of a Harley. Yet I feel if the MOCO truly believed that blank slate PR stuff Willie G spouts then we would be able to order our CVO bikes from the factory with all the parts we want and not have to add them after spending so much for the bike to begin with. I know they would hate to give up the profit from parts sales and labor to install.
They could eliminate the effect of so many CVOs sitting on showroom floors since they are made like the MOCO wants it to be not necessarily the way we want it to be. Let us look at a parts book and then place order with all options , that way none are made unless a deposit is made thus a guaranteed sale.

Wouldn't that make them like a auto dealer?

You can order a NEW car or Truck with or without all the bells and whistles even picking your own special color - What a novel concept, Then HD could Stop Mfg of it's models and only take orders - then build the bike to customers taste-- The UNION would never go for that  and with no new bikes in the show room they would loose impulse sales

[cuthbertss]

I was driving down the main drag here in town yesterday.  There's a Honda dealership that also always has quite a few used bikes on his lot.  Mostly Harleys.  But 30-40% other stuff too.  Yesterday he had one of those Independence Day movie alien looking bikes on the lot.  Second time I drove by it I had to stop.

It's just so weird.  Took it for a little ride.  Maybe five miles.  From the saddle nothing sucks.  Nothing at all.  But you can't shake that feeling that if there is a God he's looking down at you just shaking his head......

GTFOH!

[SPIDERMAN]

How about a 131"?
Will that work?

 

Maybe I haven't been paying attention. What's the big deal about a 131 ?  How bout they just make what they're currently selling work properly. You know until they released the damn 110, the only motor arguments we had around here were related to making them go faster. I don't recall much grumbling going on when the "big" motor was a 103".  My point ?  We've already got one motor (110") that it would appear H-D failed to properly design, test and mfgr. Why ask for another ?  And this is just my opinion, but I think you're getting too large for two cylinders when you get beyond where we're already at. The 103 proved itself. If the market demands more then design, test and bring to market a 4 cylinder water cooled motor as has been mentioned elsewhere on the site. If you want a monster air cooled V-Twin in your ride then go buy one from the after market and do as you please. H-D needs to devote it's resouces toward improving the quality of their existing products vice constantly chasing a bigger, better, faster , more mentality.

Just my $0.02 Nothing personal directed to my good buddy Chip or anyone else. I simply used his post as a jumping off point for my post.

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[Steve_G]

 We've already got one motor (110") that it would appear H-D failed to properly design, test and mfgr. Why ask for another ?  And this is just my opinion, but I think you're getting too large for two cylinders when you get beyond where we're already at. The 103 proved itself. If the market demands more then design, test and bring to market a 4 cylinder water cooled motor as has been mentioned elsewhere on the site. If you want a monster air cooled V-Twin in your ride then go buy one from the after market and do as you please. H-D needs to devote it's resouces toward improving the quality of their existing products vice constantly chasing a bigger, better, faster , more mentality.

Just my $0.02 Nothing personal directed to my good buddy Chip or anyone else. I simply used his post as a jumping off point for my post.

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I agree 100%.  If they don't pursue improving the quality of their existing products, they will lose their old faithful customer base.

[spydglide]

I agree 100%.  If they don't pursue improving the quality of their existing products, they will lose their old faithful customer base.

Naaaw, that's why they're gonna build lawnmowers for us.  har!  spyder

[Twolanerider]

No you didn't!  har!  spyder

GTFOH!

Really did.  Rode it for 10 minutes or so around town.  Some loaner helmet that didn't fit sitting way too high up on my head behind the dash of this weird looking motorcycle.  And from the saddle it handled well and controls seemed logically laid out. 

Overall impression was probably a response to the salesman when I got back though.  Don't know if he thought I was fresh for picking or just exuberant about doing his job.  But he met me on the lot holding a digital camera and asked if I wanted a picture of me sitting on "this fine bike."  Told him not a chance in hell.

[iski]

Naaaw, that's why they're gonna build lawnmowers for us.  har!  spyder

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[SPIDERMAN]

Really did.  Rode it for 10 minutes or so around town.  Some loaner helmet that didn't fit sitting way too high up on my head behind the dash of this weird looking motorcycle.  And from the saddle it handled well and controls seemed logically laid out. 

Overall impression was probably a response to the salesman when I got back though.  Don't know if he thought I was fresh for picking or just exuberant about doing his job.  But he met me on the lot holding a digital camera and asked if I wanted a picture of me sitting on "this fine bike."  Told him not a chance in hell.

Those salesmen will do anything to get you to feel like you've got some obligation to them. The intent of the picture was to create the impression that you'd already agreed to buy it. As to your comments on the bike, they match up with what I hear from the few people who have ridden one. Nary a complaint once aboard and riding. It all comes down to looks and nobody seems able to handle it. So I guess it falls into the great sex but with a fugly woman catagory. 

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[miker]

I saw 2 at CHL....Too much for me as well...

[cuthbertss]

Those salesmen will do anything to get you to feel like you've got some obligation to them. The intent of the picture was to create the impression that you'd already agreed to buy it. As to your comments on the bike, they match up with what I hear from the few people who have ridden one. Nary a complaint once aboard and riding. It all comes down to looks and nobody seems able to handle it. So I guess it falls into the great sex but with a fugly woman catagory. 

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So...  the Fugly Victory is  considered a 2 Bagger?

[Twolanerider]

Those salesmen will do anything to get you to feel like you've got some obligation to them.

The boy obviously didn't understand the difference between curiosity and interest.

[SPIDERMAN]

So...  the Fugly Victory is  considered a 2 Bagger?

Scot
         I'd have bet the farm you'd be the one to toss that old gem out there 


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[cuthbertss]

Scot
         I'd have bet the farm you'd be the one to toss that old gem out there 


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thankyewthankyewverrymuch

[Fired00d]

Really did.  Rode it for 10 minutes or so around town.  Some loaner helmet that didn't fit sitting way too high up on my head behind the dash of this weird looking motorcycle.  And from the saddle it handled well and controls seemed logically laid out. 

Overall impression was probably a response to the salesman when I got back though.  Don't know if he thought I was fresh for picking or just exuberant about doing his job.  But he met me on the lot holding a digital camera and asked if I wanted a picture of me sitting on "this fine bike."  Told him not a chance in hell.

Damn, some would have paid that guy good money for that picture.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Twolanerider]

Damn, some would have paid that guy good money for that picture.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

Dood, ain't no way there's gonna be a picture of me riding anything uglier than I am!