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[hogasm]

HOG- Thats a beautifull boat. Lets go to baja. Ill buy the gas

Don'k know if I could afford to get it there ......but once there......theirs always money for fishing fuel

[Twolanerider]

Yes, you've hit the nail right on the head, Don. Already much of our natural gas (we don't mains gas here, hence the propane bottles) is from Russia, as North Sea gas is running out, and the oil is winding down. Our coal industry - once one of the main industries in Scotland is dead and gone (same story in Wales, where it was big too), so the coal fired power stations are burning imported coal too. In Scotland at least we have a degree of Hydro Electricity, but energy wise, dire times lie ahead.  Not sure I'd like the world my kids will see when they are the age I am now - thankfully, I'll be gone.

Jim

Some of your own Defence Ministry analyses on future security implications are actually very worrying.  Potential consequences without some significant intervention between now and then (without regard to when "then" actually is) make 1974 look like going on holiday.

[MJZ]

Oh God I have to think out loud here....trying to get the correct props on the boat last weekend

fuel...$3.75 a gallon for diesel at the dock

Boat ran 36.5 kts = 43.8 mph

Fuel burn at 43.8 mph = 104 gph

which makes us getting .4211538 mpg

ran the boat for 7 hours @ 104 gph = 728 gallons @ $3.75 a gallon = $2730

props are wrong....have to try another set this weekend

Anyone want to buy a boat....$1.5M

Luckily I just sold my 52 Viking last week. The buyer filled up to take the boat home to Miami last week, 1,645 gals. @ $4.05. I hated to see the boat go but knowing I'd only left 155 gals in the tanks took some of the sting out.

[grc]

Sadly, the least of the problem is the cost of gasoline here in the States (at least so far).  Even at the current national average price, gasoline is still relatively cheap compared to most parts of the world.  Many of us can offset the increased cost by reducing unnecessary trips and making small adjustments elsewhere in the budget.  Unfortunately, that method doesn't help in the really important areas like food prices or keeping warm in the winter.  Ask the poor around the world how it feels to have their daily rations cut in half due to food price increases and shortages, all tied in one way or another to the high prices for oil.  There have been riots already in some countries, and I would expect to see many more.  I think I remember many of us commenting in a different thread last year about the fallacy of diverting so much grain to ethanol production and how that would distort the market for both human and animal food.  Well, it didn't take long for the down side to become reality, and on a worldwide scale. 

I swear it feels like déjà vu all over again.  For those old enough to remember, it's starting to look a little like the 1970's.  Inflation, recession, unemployment, shortages, etc., all tied in one way or another to oil. 

Jerry

[vagabond6542]

Sadly, the least of the problem is the cost of gasoline here in the States (at least so far).  Even at the current national average price, gasoline is still relatively cheap compared to most parts of the world.  Many of us can offset the increased cost by reducing unnecessary trips and making small adjustments elsewhere in the budget.  Unfortunately, that method doesn't help in the really important areas like food prices or keeping warm in the winter.  Ask the poor around the world how it feels to have their daily rations cut in half due to food price increases and shortages, all tied in one way or another to the high prices for oil.  There have been riots already in some countries, and I would expect to see many more.  I think I remember many of us commenting in a different thread last year about the fallacy of diverting so much grain to ethanol production and how that would distort the market for both human and animal food.  Well, it didn't take long for the down side to become reality, and on a worldwide scale. 

I swear it feels like déjà vu all over again.  For those old enough to remember, it's starting to look a little like the 1970's.  Inflation, recession, unemployment, shortages, etc., all tied in one way or another to oil. 

Jerry

Yeahhh, I remember it well. Gas went from about $.30 a gallon to over $.75 a gallon in a matter of months. And the USA was living in a double digit interest rates. Housing prices was going through the roof.
Seen this before, and I was hoping never to see it again.

[Eqcons]

Some of your own Defence Ministry analyses on future security implications are actually very worrying.  Potential consequences without some significant intervention between now and then (without regard to when "then" actually is) make 1974 look like going on holiday.

Part of the problem is our "Britishness" here.  We moan but do nothing.

Jim

[ccr]

Part of the problem is our "Britishness" here.  We moan but do nothing.

Jim

We do the same here.

[Eqcons]

We do the same here.

Yes, we both countries need to be more like the French - there the truck drivers would barricade the freeways and blockade the ports, and the students would riot.  That's what's necessary to remind our govenrnments that they work for us, not the other way round! 

[Capo]

Yeahhh, I remember it well. Gas went from about $.30 a gallon to over $.75 a gallon in a matter of months. And the USA was living in a double digit interest rates. Housing prices was going through the roof.
Seen this before, and I was hoping never to see it again.

Yeah wasn't that 1972? Jimmy Carter and company? OPEC went nuts too!

[rednectum]

Yeah wasn't that 1972? Jimmy Carter and company? OPEC went nuts too!

1976 as i remember.

[Hoist!]

1976 as i remember.

I thought you don't remember the 70's?

Hoist!

[ccr]

memory is a bit spotty. 
In the 70's I:

• graduated high school
  
• got married
  
  • moved to the big city (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan)
    
  • moved to another big city (Vancouver, British Columbia)
    
    • became a manager of my own store
      
    • partied  a lot - a lot, I think it was really a lot
    • then I think I partied a little more

[rednectum]

I thought you don't remember the 70's?

Hoist!

for some reason i remember peanut farmer, recession, billy beer and unemployment.

[MJZ]

for some reason i remember peanut farmer, recession, billy beer and unemployment.

What about the biggie at the time, Jimmy lusted in his heart for sweet young thangs?

That was a huge problem for him at the time, look how far we came in 20 years, slick willie gets bj's in office and it was totally acceptable.

[Twolanerider]

Yeah wasn't that 1972? Jimmy Carter and company? OPEC went nuts too!

As a result of perceived support for Israel in the 73 war OPEC embargoed.  I was a twirp kid pumping gas in a Texaco station then.  Twelve years old.  The year before the height of the gas wars I'd walked out to the gas island with my red shop rag in my pocket dragging the ground and occasionally pumped fuel for 20 cents a gallon.  In 74 after the effects of the embargo really took hold is when it all shot up.

The Brits had it hit harder than we did though.  No major North Sea production yet.  They went to three day work weeks in a lot of places.  Really really tough.  The response started the process that eventually got Maggie Thatcher elected though.