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[BIGDOG]

I am getting ready to install new pipes and have thought I would have the SERT done but I have noticed allot of you are running PCIII's . I would be interested in the pro's and con's of both.
I will be running hooker tuned flow pipes on a 110 what are your thoughts.  

[Twolanerider]

I am getting ready to install new pipes and have thought I would have the SERT done but I have noticed allot of you are running PCIII's . I would be interested in the pro's and con's of both.
I will be running hooker tuned flow pipes on a 110 what are your thoughts.  

You don't tune this tool.  You pay someone to do it for you.  So find the best tuner within the geographic area you're willing to drive to.  Then just get whichever he uses.  You're paying someone to use it for you.  Get the one that the guy you're paying can do the best job with.  The decision isn't any harder then that.

[Gone Fishin']

I would always go with the PC III, if you have a Dynojet tuner nearby. I am impressed by the combination of the device and the tuning set up.

Ride safely,
Louis

[Talon]

If your only doing pipes, if you go with SE pipes, the SERT should have a caned map you can download for their pipes. If you go with aftermarket pipes there aren't any SERT caned maps for them, but the PCIII has many, you can check their web site before buying. On my 88" RK with pipes and A/C, I put a PCIII on it and used a caned map, it isn't perfect, but gets you close. I didn't want to dyno, $300-$400 just for pipes and air cleaner. A local shop that does the PCIII will do a dyno base line pull for $25, so I took it down. They found one spot that was a little lean and a few others that were a little rich, for $50 more they put the bike back on the dyno and did a little tuning. They got me almost 2 hp and 2 ft lb, not as good as a full tune, but not bad. I'll get a full tune when I do the cams, TB, heads, and big bore kit. So if you plan on doing any major changes down the road, I find a tuner and use what ever they are most confortable with, so later you can get it dialed in, but if that's the extent of your mods, I look at the caned maps verses what you have on your bike.

My two cents.

[grc]

I agree with 2lane - pick the tuner first, and then let him help you decide on the device.  Some are proficient with both, but most have a preference of one or the other.  

One point that you may want to consider concerns warranty status.  A PCIII can easily be removed and leaves no evidence that an overly zealous dealership or the MoCo could use against you.  If warranty is important to you, think about it.  If you subscribe to the "F--k The Warranty" school of thought, this won't be a consideration.

Jerry

[Seegarsmkr]

If your only doing pipes, if you go with SE pipes, the SERT should have a caned map you can download for their pipes. If you go with aftermarket pipes there aren't any SERT caned maps for them, but the PCIII has many, you can check their web site before buying. On my 88" RK with pipes and A/C, I put a PCIII on it and used a caned map, it isn't perfect, but gets you close. I didn't want to dyno, $300-$400 just for pipes and air cleaner. A local shop that does the PCIII will do a dyno base line pull for $25, so I took it down. They found one spot that was a little lean and a few others that were a little rich, for $50 more they put the bike back on the dyno and did a little tuning. They got me almost 2 hp and 2 ft lb, not as good as a full tune, but not bad. I'll get a full tune when I do the cams, TB, heads, and big bore kit. So if you plan on doing any major changes down the road, I find a tuner and use what ever they are most confortable with, so later you can get it dialed in, but if that's the extent of your mods, I look at the caned maps verses what you have on your bike.

My two cents.

Actually Talon that was $100 advise

[Hoist!]

I agree with 2lane - pick the tuner first, and then let him help you decide on the device.  Some are proficient with both, but most have a preference of one or the other.  

One point that you may want to consider concerns warranty status.  A PCIII can easily be removed and leaves no evidence that an overly zealous dealership or the MoCo could use against you.  If warranty is important to you, think about it.  If you subscribe to the "F--k The Warranty" school of thought, this won't be a consideration.

Jerry

That's it! FTW baby!!!

Hoist!

[Talon]

Actually Talon that was $100 advise

Actually $75!

[Fired00d]

As others have stated get what your tuner recommends. It will be what they are most comfortable with and best at tuning.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Twolanerider]

If your only doing pipes, if you go with SE pipes, the SERT should have a caned map you can download for their pipes. If you go with aftermarket pipes there aren't any SERT caned maps for them, but the PCIII has many, you can check their web site before buying. On my 88" RK with pipes and A/C, I put a PCIII on it and used a caned map, it isn't perfect, but gets you close. I didn't want to dyno, $300-$400 just for pipes and air cleaner. A local shop that does the PCIII will do a dyno base line pull for $25, so I took it down. They found one spot that was a little lean and a few others that were a little rich, for $50 more they put the bike back on the dyno and did a little tuning. They got me almost 2 hp and 2 ft lb, not as good as a full tune, but not bad. I'll get a full tune when I do the cams, TB, heads, and big bore kit. So if you plan on doing any major changes down the road, I find a tuner and use what ever they are most confortable with, so later you can get it dialed in, but if that's the extent of your mods, I look at the caned maps verses what you have on your bike.

My two cents.

Talon, I can't disagree with the premise.  And if the map's predicate is what you've got it's going to be close.  However....

It's still not the most.  Two bikes otherwise identical will go on the dyno and end up with slightly different maps built.  The same just never ends up being mirror images.  A cost effective choice is certainly doing it as described.  To get it really dialed in though requires, well.....; actually dialing it in.

[Twolanerider]

Just an FYI here in public where it belongs.  Just sent Bigdog who'd started this thread an apology.  Perhaps I'd written in haste or while on the phone and not paying attention or something.  But my first response to him he took as short or smart assed or something.

We all know the written word loses a little sometimes without the nuances that are part of otherwise normal conversation.  I didn't mean the response to be in any way condescending or bitchy.  If I offended him publicly though wanted to make sure and apologize the same way.  Sorry guy.  Hope we're ok .

[Talon]

Talon, I can't disagree with the premise.  And if the map's predicate is what you've got it's going to be close.  However....

It's still not the most.  Two bikes otherwise identical will go on the dyno and end up with slightly different maps built.  The same just never ends up being mirror images.  A cost effective choice is certainly doing it as described.  To get it really dialed in though requires, well.....; actually dialing it in.

I wasn't disagreeing with you, I totally agree! Not that this happens much, but if he's only changing pipes and isn't planning on doing much else, he can get a caned map that gets him close. That's what I did for now, hope to get major work done soon and then a real dyno tune. Was actually planning on last winter, but daughter's wedding and a few other unexpected major expenses kept me from it!! But I knew who was was going to have tune it, he is good with the PCIII, and since I went with V&H Classic Round mufflers, and Doherty Power PACC, I went with the PCIII, downloaded a map for my V&H pipes and a SE A/C. I knew it wouldn't be exact, 5000+ above sea level, low humidity, and just the difference in bikes in general. The guys at a local shop, Red Hill, said they'd put it on the dyno for $25, I figured that the heck, see where I'm at. It wasn't that far off, like HD Dude said to me, most caned maps error on the side of being a little rich. $50 more and it runs pretty good for basically stock motor.

[Twolanerider]

I wasn't disagreeing with you, I totally agree! Not that this happens much, but if he's only changing pipes and isn't planning on doing much else, he can get a caned map that gets him close. That's what I did for now, hope to get major work done soon and then a real dyno tune. Was actually planning on last winter, but daughter's wedding and a few other unexpected major expenses kept me from it!! But I knew who was was going to have tune it, he is good with the PCIII, and since I went with V&H Classic Round mufflers, and Doherty Power PACC, I went with the PCIII, downloaded a map for my V&H pipes and a SE A/C. I knew it wouldn't be exact, 5000+ above sea level, low humidity, and just the difference in bikes in general. The guys at a local shop, Red Hill, said they'd put it on the dyno for $25, I figured that the heck, see where I'm at. It wasn't that far off, like HD Dude said to me, most caned maps error on the side of being a little rich. $50 more and it runs pretty good for basically stock motor.

Those available maps do make a good and often cost effective way to get our shiny rides on down the street.  Whether it be for some time while waiting for a dyno schedule or just while we decide what is going to happen to complete an upgrade before doing more.  Got to love simple solutions when they're out there .

[ultrafxr]

Don't mean to rain on anyone's parade who has and likes the PC but I know of three folks who have had problems with the PC going south on them.  One is in the shop as we speak.  I too had problems with a chafed wire to the PC I had on my previous bike.  I just think the sert is better because there is nothing that remains hooked up, your ecm is just re-programmed and should be solid.

When they work they are great but I simply think the potential is there for more problems that with a sert.

[Hoist!]

Don't mean to rain on anyone's parade who has and likes the PC but I know of three folks who have had problems with the PC going south on them.  One is in the shop as we speak.  I too had problems with a chafed wire to the PC I had on my previous bike.  I just think the sert is better because there is nothing that remains hooked up, your ecm is just re-programmed and should be solid.

When they work they are great but I simply think the potential is there for more problems that with a sert.

That's why I'm doing both Jerry. I'm putting in a SERT to change the parameters of the ECM, but not spending hours tuning it. Just a 90-95% tune. Then I'm putting the PC on top of that and get the tuning perfect with it. If my PC ever craps out, I'll still be able to ride that 120HP beast by simply unplugging the PC and running on the SERT'ed ECM! Belt AND Suspenders approach baby!

Hoist!