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[Hoist!]

Here's the email Dealer sent me: Tell me if it makes any sense to you??

HI XXXX, EMAIL WORKS VARY WELL FOR ME. YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB RESEARCHING INFO ON YOUR NEW BIKE. TO REALLY SOME IT UP THE RACE TURNER IS THE ONLY WAY TO BUILD A MAP FOR FUEL INJECTION MOTORS. YOU ARE CORRECT ABOUT THE PROGRAM S.E. TURNER THE CD IS IN PART TO INSTALL ON A COMPUTOR THE MODULE THAT CONNECTS TO YOUR ECM AND GIVES US THE ABILITY TO MAKE A MAP PER 100 RPM, USING AN AIR FUEL ANAILYZER HELPS THE DNYO TECH. THE PROGRAM NUMBERS IN TO THE RACE TURNER. SHOULD BE DONE AFTER BREAK IN MILES. ALSO A DOWNLOAD IS FOR STREET LEGAL SET UP’S MEANING S.E. EXHAUST CHANGE AND STREET LEGAL BIG BORE KITS. THE RACE TURNER IS FOR RACE ONLY AND MAY NOT MAKE EMISSONS IN PARTS OF THE U.S. I HOPE THIS HELPS. EPA AND EMISSONS ARE MAKING IT HARDER TO CHANGE ANY COMBUSTABLE ENGINE FROM FACTOR.

Also please see my post under "canned maps" I think I might have found what i need, but not sure . . . Hoping someone will set me straight once and for all 

Thanks   

Looks like a form letter to me, and not written personally to you. That download part doesn't apply to your bike. They're correct about building a custom map after breakin. But a canned map from the SERT software before that is sure better than nothing at all, especially if you're doing pipes and A/C assembly. Forget the emails. Talk to them personally. If you still get a runaround, go somewhere else.

Hoist!

[springer-]

Here's the email Dealer sent me: Tell me if it makes any sense to you??

HI XXXX, EMAIL WORKS VARY WELL FOR ME. YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB RESEARCHING INFO ON YOUR NEW BIKE. TO REALLY SOME IT UP THE RACE TURNER IS THE ONLY WAY TO BUILD A MAP FOR FUEL INJECTION MOTORS. YOU ARE CORRECT ABOUT THE PROGRAM S.E. TURNER THE CD IS IN PART TO INSTALL ON A COMPUTOR THE MODULE THAT CONNECTS TO YOUR ECM AND GIVES US THE ABILITY TO MAKE A MAP PER 100 RPM, USING AN AIR FUEL ANAILYZER HELPS THE DNYO TECH. THE PROGRAM NUMBERS IN TO THE RACE TURNER. SHOULD BE DONE AFTER BREAK IN MILES. ALSO A DOWNLOAD IS FOR STREET LEGAL SET UP’S MEANING S.E. EXHAUST CHANGE AND STREET LEGAL BIG BORE KITS. THE RACE TURNER IS FOR RACE ONLY AND MAY NOT MAKE EMISSONS IN PARTS OF THE U.S. I HOPE THIS HELPS. EPA AND EMISSONS ARE MAKING IT HARDER TO CHANGE ANY COMBUSTABLE ENGINE FROM FACTOR.

I'm not really a stickler for spelling and grammar but sometimes you don't have a lot to base an opinion on, this is one of those times.

First impressions are everything.  Sure you can be wrong about someone and many times spelling and grammar really doesn't mater.  Sometimes it is just a typo but when it is the same over and over, it isn't a typo and this is all I have to go on.

Some examples....

Vary well - Very well
Race Turner - Race Tuner (4 times)
Computor - Computer
anailyzer - analyzer
Dnyo - Dyno
From factor - Form Factor

Half the sentences are not sentences at all and don't make a lot of sense.

Maybe he is a better tech than what the above represents but WOW.

Technical mistakes about the race tuner....
It does not allow 100 RPM increments while creating a custom map for the bike.  In fact it is 250 RPM increments until you get to 3000 RPM and then it jumps to 500 RPM increments.


About your original question, a canned map is a map that was designed for a specific combination of parts.  All the canned maps are only for Harley parts and would not include any aftermarket parts like the Rinehart exhaust.  The problem with canned maps is not all engines are the same even when they have the same build specs.  For example the stock heads vary in combustion chamber size as much at 7 cc's.  Combine that with a piston deck height that varies as much as .015" and you end up with 2 "identical" engine that could have a whole point difference in compression.  This will dramatically effect the way the engine is tuned.  Now, how can a single canned map fit both these engines even though they have the same build specs?  Answer, they can't.

It has been my experience that canned maps run Lean.  Not as lean as the stock map but still too lean in many areas, and that is when the canned map fits the exact specs it was designed for.  The Rinehart's may flow more than that map was designed for and therefor could lean out the map even more.

Building a custom map always starts with a canned map.  The first thing we do is richen the map before we even run the bike.  This would be easy to do to the canned map you picked.  With the SERT, increase the engine size 3ci and that will fatten the map across the board.  You would only need to back it up if you are fouling spark plugs but I doubt that will be the case.

[ice6900]

Q1:If a SERT wont marry to a bike ecm, is there anyway to reset the SERT and start again, ie:can MOCO reset the SERT?

Q2: Does a stealer need the cd or does he upload a canned map online with MOCO?

[springer-]

Q1:If a SERT wont marry to a bike ecm, is there anyway to reset the SERT and start again, ie:can MOCO reset the SERT?

Q2: Does a stealer need the cd or does he upload a canned map online with MOCO?

What do you mean when you say "it won't marry to a bike ecm".  Is it a new SERT (never been used on another bike)?  What year is the bike?  What is the EXACT error message you are getting when you try?    What version of SERT Software are you using?  Has it ever had a factory download installed by a dealer?

A SERT can not be reset.  The ECM can be reset to factory specs and that may be what is needed.

[ice6900]

What do you mean when you say "it won't marry to a bike ecm".
Is it a new SERT (never been used on another bike)?  yes a new SERT
What year is the bike? fxstsse 2007
What is the EXACT error message you are getting when you try?  I dont know, but it would be in the German language!
What version of SERT Software are you using? 32107-01L SERT
Has it ever had a factory download installed by a dealer? Not to my knowledge!


Here is the jackanory so far-----------

I have a fxstsse07 bought in Switzerland May 2007
When i had the 8000km service done at a stealer the mech showed me the start of a small oil leak, "Rear Head gasket",  the stealer was shortly changing location and ownership so he advised me to go back to the larger stealer where i had bought the bike to get the warrenty work done. At the service the mech also fitted the heavy breather a/c and fitted a lil switch that can bypass the exhaust clapper to keep it open. He looked online for a map download but told me there wasnt any available.
In europe we have as standard equipment: a european oval air filter, european/swiss exhaust system that includes a clapper on the top exhaust which open and closes to control emissions and O2 sensors, ie:give gas, the emissions r restricted to pass only through the lower katylitic muffler.
So I bought a 32107-01L SERT  "online purchase "1/3 of our local price"" from HALS HD Wisconson had it shipped to Switzerland, when i had the head gasket replaced i asked the stealer to install the sert, i was not sent a cd.
Any way he tried to install the SERT but tells me that there was comms error, i cant tell u exactly what was written on the pc screen, it would b in the German language. When i l8er spoke to him about it he said "if i dont believe him he would give me the key to the dyno unit and i could try it myself", which i declined as i have no knowledge of the computer/dyno system. Mech told me he had installed over 50 SERTs no problems at all! He also told me there dyno/computer would be different from USA version. I then replied, ok if a guy buys a bike in USA, imports it into switzerland, the bike then requires work on the ecm u cant help him? correct was his answer!
When SERT  is opened  returns warrenty is rendered invalid!
His only option was i need to buy a  european SERT from him, order it wait 4 to 6weeks for delivery, dealer rep was not sure which SERT  to order as there catalogue listed -0H version, after 3weeks they ordered a 32107-01L SERT, he showed me a letter from MOCO that MOCO will not send out SUPER SERT until stocks of SERT r exhausted.

While i am waiting i have ordered and fitted *nightrider O2 IED petrol enricher device* to help bike run a lil richer.

Unfortunatley this stealer is the one and only in switzerland that has knowledge of the SERT. All other stealers use power commander! Yes i know first find a good tuner and order a SERT PC OR T.MAX that he is best aquanted with!

[bisounours]

ice6900,

If you've no knowledge of computer, you do not buy a SERT or others in States and later ask to your dealer for the installation. Each time, you'll have problems with these and you'll have not the possibility to understand if it's right or not.
It's necessary to have a minimum of knowledge.
With the SERT is possible to disable the flaps in the Air cleaner and exhausts : no DTC codes if you disconnect these for example : to mount a SE Air Cleaner or others.

You are not with the similar situation of your example of a guy buys a bike in USA, imports it into switzerland.

The MOCO made not european or US version. It's the same !
You need to control the SERT yourself. I hope that you've the cables for the connection between the SERT and the ECM and the computer / SERT.
1) Donwload the software (I seen a link in other thread)
2) Install the software on your computer
3) Connect the SERT to your ECM, the computer to the SERT
4) Open the software and test the connection
You need to read the SET manuel (downloable with the software)
5) If you are able to read the ECM, your SERT is avalaible.

Perhaps you've not the knowledge for that in this case, it means that you'll pay the high price with your dealer.
Before to look other systems, you need to control your SERT.

Jacques

[springer-]

I think you should try connecting the SERT yourself as well.  With some basic computer skills you can test it yourself.  If you want to try this I am sure we can help you through it.

[ice6900]

ok thanks for your input,  but please answer me my question, would the stealer download a map online or would he extract it from the cd?

[bisounours]

Concerning the SERT till 4.77 version; Maps are on the CD
The updates were on the new CD with the new version of software.

With the Pro Super Tuner, you've the Maps on the CD but the updates (software and probably the Maps) are online.

Jacques