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jimp

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Brakes
« on: May 16, 2005, 08:54:48 AM »

I would like too Improve my brakes, the front feels weak, maybe some Brembo's or a pad change?
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Re: Brakes
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2005, 09:18:27 AM »

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Re: Brakes
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2005, 12:17:46 PM »

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I would like too Improve my brakes, the front feels weak, maybe some Brembo's or a pad change?

I switched to DP when the bike was new.  If memory serves it was DP 917.  They feel a little better then the stock pads but (and this is really nice) they make a lot less brake dust and they last longer.
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Re: Brakes
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2005, 12:50:47 PM »

if you have a way to fabricate - I have an ole foot brake off a soap box derby car ?  [smiley=zroflmao.gif]
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Re: Brakes
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2005, 12:52:25 PM »

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I switched to DP when the bike was new.  If memory serves it was DP 917.  They feel a little better then the stock pads but (and this is really nice) they make a lot less brake dust and they last longer.


Will they eat rotors quicker?

I seem to notice this recently, it used to be that you could change pads on a car every 25K and the rotors were perfect.  Now people are reporting get 50K out of pads but the rotors are replaced at the same time.  This is only anectodotal evidence.

/Bill
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Re: Brakes
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2005, 03:14:16 PM »

As I noted in another post, the brakes seemed to improve quite abit with use.  Lightly at first and then more and more pressure.  By the time I got home, they were working much better but still way short of the brakes on my Ducati or my Triumph.  The back brake however is much stronger than the ones on my other bikes and I seemed to rely on it more.  Good luck and leave yourself some distance if you can for a while.  Be safe JP
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Re: Brakes
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2005, 04:12:18 PM »

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As I noted in another post, the brakes seemed to improve quite abit with use.  Lightly at first and then more and more pressure.  By the time I got home, they were working much better but still way short of the brakes on my Ducati or my Triumph.  The back brake however is much stronger than the ones on my other bikes and I seemed to rely on it more.  Good luck and leave yourself some distance if you can for a while.  Be safe JP


Sunday I rode a StreetRod and came close to lauching my self across the bars, then back on the SEEG and wondering whats wrong with the brakes. They definitely could be improved.
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Re: Brakes
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2005, 04:48:19 PM »

My brakes also were crap when I picked the bike up...  Then I broke the brakes in (set them it's called in the racing world), and they improved greatly.  The deal is, you basically want to cook the top surface of the brake pad while simultaneously glazing the surface of the rotor... (Or drum if it's really old...)  

Pick a nice spot of road, 'cause you don't need to be playing in traffic for this.

Take the bike up to 55 or 60, bury the brake in question pretty good, (don't lose traction but apply close to maximum braking) down to about 10-15 mph...
Speed right back up and do it again, and again, and again,(maybe...), What you want to do is cause the brake to fade/fail due to heat.  When that happens release the brake and drive normally for a few miles to cool the brake back down.  You WILL be pleased with the difference in braking from that unit.   Then turn around and do the other end of the bike...  Remember to let it go once you fade/fail the brake because you don't want to discolor the disc (It's not REAL critical, because you have to reallly work hard at getting that hot, but don't go crazy...  once the brake fades away you've prepped the surface and more heat isn't going to make it any better...)

On a car/race vehicle, you do all the brakes at once, but on a bigger bike, you're better off just doing one brake at a time.

I have a very detailed article about what this actually does and the benefits on my machine at home, and I will post it if I can find it.  (Right after someone tells me how to attach something 5 or 6 pages long...  hint hint help me out here admin guru's! [smiley=1syellow1.gif]

The bottom line is this, even with a high end brembo or race unit, the braking won't get any better, it will just require less brake pressure to get to it.  If the brake unit will lock the wheel up, that's as much brake as you're going to get, period...  Past that you have to get rid of more heat faster to stop as fast more times, and that means better discs, which still won't stop you any faster the first time than the traction your tire will support...
« Last Edit: May 16, 2005, 04:51:24 PM by Coolbreeze »
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Re: Brakes
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2005, 10:17:42 PM »

I run Lyndall Racing Brakes Z-pads.  Much less dust than stock to say nothing of better feel and improved braking.  I understand the gold pads work even better but the Z-pads work for me.

http://www.lyndallracingbrakes.com/products.htm

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Re: Brakes
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2005, 08:19:31 AM »

The new VRod street rod has Brembos from the factory that is probably why you almost went over the bars.  I put them on my SEEG and they are the best brakes I've ever had on a bike.
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Re: Brakes
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2005, 10:28:43 PM »

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I have a very detailed article about what this actually does and the benefits on my machine at home, and I will post it if I can find it.  (Right after someone tells me how to attach something 5 or 6 pages long...  hint hint help me out here admin guru's! [smiley=1syellow1.gif]


Coolbreeze, excellent information in the body of you post, but if you still want to post the article, you'll either have to combine it into one .jpg, .gif, or .png file, or attach one page per post (one file per page).  PM me if you have any questions.
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Re: Brakes
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2005, 10:48:19 PM »

103 thunder, how much risk are we taking when we do this of warping the disc?  How fine of a line are we talking about?
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Re: Brakes
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2005, 10:26:52 PM »

I've been noticing a disturbing trend on my front brakes recently whereby the lever travel changes from a normal one inch travel to almost against the grip, with no rhyme or reason for the change.  I've verified there is no air in the system, even though that would affect the brakes all the time, not intermittently.  It isn't brake fade, because it occurs after riding for miles with no brake application.  It doesn't appear to be excessive runout of the rotors pushing the pistons back into the calipers.  I'm starting to wonder if the master cylinder is bypassing internally, but I've never had that happen before on a bike or a car where it was intermittent.  Usually a master cylinder goes bad and stays that way.  Anyone out there have an experience similar to this?
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Re: Brakes
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2005, 10:38:45 PM »

Just like DDL I have a front set of Lyndall Brakes, I have what they call the Gold Set.

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