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[scottt]

Honing the original cylinders and installing new rings won't have any affect on the liner slippage issue, it's just a good policy to do that whenever you tear one down and put it back together.

The 110 crank is the exact same part as the 96 crank, no difference at all.  If your dealer hasn't seen a crank problem yet in a 110, that is just the luck of the draw and not proof of a superior part in the 110's.

Actually, Harley won't be spending a lot of money on the service contract repairs.  That money comes from all those folks who buy the service contracts, similar to the way an insurance policy works.  So I guess you could say that current and future customers with ESP will be footing the bills, less the deductible.

Jerry

Thanks for the reply, I guess time will tell. I just got back from a ride, the bike has never run so good. I am not sure if rebuilding the top end or fixing the exh Leak in the manifold made the big difference, but she sure runs good. It almost completely eliminated the backfire problem, she is running so smooth and strong. Now I just got to hope she stays together for my 5,000 mile trip next month.

Thanks again

Scott

[vagabond6542]

Jerry
        I made a post on another thread about the issues S&S had with liner slippage a few years back. Some folks who were beyond the warranty had their liners " staked" into the cylinders. Was hoping you'd explain this for folks as I know you can do a better job of it than me

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This is something I would like to learn about also. You never know when the info becomes useful.

[Chief]

Chief, I think you're correct.  It looks like the MoCo is trying to improve the head gasket so that it is a little more forgiving of slight movement.  However, I don't believe that will ever be a good longterm fix.  After time and many temperature cycles, any gasket design I've ever seen will become less compliant.  So as long as there is any measureable liner movement, I wouldn't be confident that a gasket would provide more than just a temporary fix.  Just as a bandaid doesn't fix a six inch gash in your forehead, a bandaid won't fix this issue either.  It's time for the MoCo to suck it up and spend the money to redesign the jugs.  What was it the Fram guys used to say, "you can pay me now, or pay me more later"?  

I know it will never happen, but I really wish everyone would just take a pass on a new Harley until they fix their obvious quality problems.  Until they see massive losses, I'm not convinced that they are taking any of these issues seriously enough.  The leaks are just one of the more minor issues; how about the myriad electrical problems, the crank problems, etc.?

Jerry

Jerry,

In their minds, it will last long enough. Long enough for the warranty to expire.

[Black Diamond]

What crank issues - I thought the spec change "fixed" that.    I don't think Willy G. and crew have ever acknowledged that one, might open up a huge can of worms since it isn't just a 110 issue.  So far they seem to be handling it as an isolated part quality issue, when they aren't blaming the owner for modifying the bike, rather than a wholesale screw-up.  All I know is, I don't want one, and I'd like to have some money invested in replacement oil pumps.

Jerry

Your so right Jerry

Friend bought an 08 Ultra. Less than a 1000 miles on it. The crank went taking the oil pump. The guy was surprised when I was able to tell him what probably happened before the MoCo acknowledge this was the problem. Maybe they need to open up the specs some more!

JW

[SPIDERMAN]

This is something I would like to learn about also. You never know when the info becomes useful.

I sent GRC (Jerry) a PM and asked him if he'd reply to this

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[vagabond6542]

Your so right Jerry

Friend bought an 08 Ultra. Less than a 1000 miles on it. The crank went taking the oil pump. The guy was surprised when I was able to tell him what probably happened before the MoCo acknowledge this was the problem. Maybe they need to open up the specs some more!
JW

If they open the spec any more than they do now, you wouldn't be able to sit on it due to the vibration.
It would be better if they would fess up and fix it.

[Black Diamond]

vagabond6542

...but then they would have to acknowledge there is a problem so they can't do that!

[vagabond6542]

vagabond6542

...but then they would have to acknowledge there is a problem so they can't do that!

Yeahhhh I know, the old "head in the sand" routine. They think it would go away if they don't see it.

[SPIDERMAN]

Harley-Davidson has long refused to acknowledge problems with it's products. What they do at some point is fix the problem on the following year's production models. I believe someone pointed out on this thread or another that the most recent 110's are holding up fine with no problems. The only way for the owner's of early issue 110's to truly find out what's what is to take take a part's manual from the earliest 110 sold and compare it to the 2009 part's manual. Wherever you find a different P/N, you change yours to the newer one. It's known as backfitting and it's a long standing tradition among us H-D diehards. Some of us are actually so masochistic, we look forward to each year's puiblication of the change manual.That's another way to check out if anything's changed.  It's a 100 plus page missive which lists all of the changes for the upcoming model year. The past few years as the new model year has been introduced, some of our members (moderators) have posted a pdf file containing the information. Last year's if memory serves was something like 112 pages ?

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[vagabond6542]

Harley-Davidson has long refused to acknowledge problems with it's products. What they do at some point is fix the problem on the following year's production models. I believe someone pointed out on this thread or another that the most recent 110's are holding up fine with no problems. The only way for the owner's of early issue 110's to truly find out what's what is to take take a part's manual from the earliest 110 sold and compare it to the 2009 part's manual. Wherever you find a different P/N, you change yours to the newer one. It's known as backfitting and it's a long standing tradition among us H-D diehards. Some of us are actually so masochistic, we look forward to each year's puiblication of the change manual.That's another way to check out if anything's changed.  It's a 100 plus page missive which lists all of the changes for the upcoming model year. The past few years as the new model year has been introduced, some of our members (moderators) have posted a pdf file containing the information. Last year's if memory serves was something like 112 pages ?

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Could you point me into the direction for the pdf file? I would like to update my 2007 parts manual.
TIA

[SPIDERMAN]

Could you point me into the direction for the pdf file? I would like to update my 2007 parts manual.
TIA

  Mr Moderator in Chief fired00d is real good at that, that's why we call him the I-Net HO

He can probably find it for you 

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[Fired00d]

  Mr Moderator in Chief fired00d is real good at that, that's why we call him the I-Net HO

He can probably find it for you 

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Searching for attachments is not a feature that is available w/this software, and I have no memory of the thread you're speaking of. Sorry not going to be able to help w/that one unless someone can give me some more information concerning the thread itself.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[hard10]

Searching for attachments is not a feature that is available w/this software, and I have no memory of the thread you're speaking of. Sorry not going to be able to help w/that one unless someone can give me some more information concerning the thread itself.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

You know d00d, it's the thread about the watchama call it with the dohicky attached to the thingamagig.

[Fired00d]

You know d00d, it's the thread about the watchama call it with the dohicky attached to the thingamagig.

LOL!! You know I've probably searched using that criteria before. At least those would be in the thread/post.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[SPIDERMAN]

Gary
         PM Jerry (GRC) I believe the file I'm referring to came from him

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