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[pappy2]

I spent  a good part of the weekend putting the Zippers throttle body, manifold, AC and D&D fat cats on along with the Zippers ECM and a EVO flying wing air cover I got off EBay.  The good news is it looks great and fired right up with a strong new sound.  The bad news is the brake pedal won't clear and I need to get a Kuryakyn one ASAP so I can ride the thing.  The footboard extensions work well and are neccesary to clear the new exhaust.  Starts perfectly, certainly better than it did stock and really purrs nice, idling around 1K.  The sound is not like the rineharts but you can tell it is a stroked V-twin and roars like a lion when you gas it.  I will get some pictures and give a ride report after I clean it up a little and get the new brake pedal on.  

[JCZ]

Pappy, you going to get it dyno tuned?  I'd like to see the dyno sheet on that set up.

[pappy2]

Got the brake pedal this morning and rode a little while in between rain showers.  This is much quicker than stock and runs like a top, free and clean power that seems to like pretty much any throttle action at any RPM without popping hesitating or lugging.  Really rips from about 3000 up to the red line and noticably more torque on the lower end to boot.  This is exactly the kind of usable power I wanted and will be a true joy to ride.  A little louder than I expected but I kinda like that anyway.  Hogtunes will be nice when I get them in.   I do have a little less leg clearence on the new AC even with the extended pedals but a minor trade for the performance.  I will get ahold of Zippers to see if they have a tuner near by or will be down in SF in the near future as a custom tune can not hurt and I am getting curious about the numbers myself.  I am still impressed with the one touch instant starting over and over hot or cold.   [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif] [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]

[Loose_Goose]

pappy2, you know the routine [smiley=worthless.gif]

[DCFIREMANN]

Pappy I can tell you your Tq is in the 107 -112 range and the Hp numbers should be just over 100 at the rear wheel. You might get 1 -3 hp more with the tune but you are that close. That is one of the nice things about the Thunder Max ECM. If you call Zippers they will tell you the same thing. The only difference would be the hot and humid air down there compared to up here. Right now the air sucks but in the fall look out. Have fun it only gets better.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[mr_magoo]

So is it a closed loop system,  with o2 sensor?

[DCFIREMANN]

Magoo no O2 sensor on this system. It is a direct replacement for the factory ECM it just does a lot more.

[Rsantucc]

I spent  a good part of the weekend putting the Zippers throttle body, manifold, AC and D&D fat cats on along with the Zippers ECM and a EVO flying wing air cover I got off EBay.  The good news is it looks great and fired right up with a strong new sound.  The bad news is the brake pedal won't clear and I need to get a Kuryakyn one ASAP so I can ride the thing.  The footboard extensions work well and are neccesary to clear the new exhaust.  Starts perfectly, certainly better than it did stock and really purrs nice, idling around 1K.  The sound is not like the rineharts but you can tell it is a stroked V-twin and roars like a lion when you gas it.  I will get some pictures and give a ride report after I clean it up a little and get the new brake pedal on.  

Pappy tell s more about the Zippers Throttle body KIT. Will the throttle body kit with manifold work with a Per Commaner and Rienhart pipes. Also does the Throttle body acept the scremin eagle airclaner kit and also ijectors or does it come with its own injectors?

Is there a site I can check this out on and what was the round about cost for the set up less the pipes and ecm?

Thanks in advance for your detail   [smiley=beerchug.gif]

[the O`Fender]

Now why did you have to replace the brake pedal? I have the fat cats and I am not the only one here with them who didn't have to make any modifications, what gives? [smiley=oops.gif]

[ggraves427]

I have the D&D Performance Fat Cats.  I had no problem whatsoever retaining my stock brake pedal.  Would like to hear more input on the Zippers intake.  Kuyeakyn brake pedal? I don't need no stinking Kuyeakyn brake pedal!   

[pappy2]

The Throttle body kit is a manifold, Throttle body and AC unit(evo style) and must be installed all together as I understand it.  I don't see why the ECM is necc if you want to tune your pwr commander it should be possible if you have a tuner who can do so.  The only AC option (for now, they claim to be working on one that works with the twin cam AC unit) is to use theirs or possibly another Evo style AC unit because of the fittings from the throttle body to the AC unit.  The Throttle body uses the original injectors and only requires splicing an extension (included) for the heat sensor to be moved from the throttle body to the AC unit as they think it gets better info for hot starts and running there.   The total cost of the throttle body etc kit is about 850.  All of this is located on their website at http://zippersperformance.com/

Why my D&D fat cats require the brake pedal is mystery to me but the stock pedal would not clear on mine.  Maybe the installer was able to bend the header a little to make room for it, the 05 break pedal is different or mine is just screwed up??  In any case the Kuryakyn pedal looks good to me and is a clear match to the style of the original and the pad moved easily from the old one so it looks fine to me.   I actually like the longer lower placement for riding comfort anyways but to each his own.  I have Kurykyn panacea and led lights on the front and back which I love as well.  

The whole package runs very well and is significantly cooler than stock.  I went out riding today with a couple of hopped 95s (high compression heads HTCCs, cams pistons, etc.) and the weather was hot and humid here.  My bike ran clean the whole time and no engine noises whatsoever when we were trolling along with the clearly cooler feeling from the cylinders and heads when we stopped.  Restarts when Hot were also notably easier for mine probably cause it wasn't that hot.  This is what I wanted so from my perspective the setup works great.  I also clearly have more torque than they do as I can use a top gear roll on from 50-80 with them shifting down and using horsepower to keep up until about 80 when I start to pull away.   When they stay in top gear it is not even close.  The comparison to the stock set-up was also clearer as our bikes were much closer before I got the kit on and my bike ran fairly hot.  

Each person has to find the combo they want but for me this thing worked out nice and for others who ride in a lot of hot weather, this set up should be seriously considered.  JP [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif] [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif] [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]

[pappy2]

OK I understand why my brake pedal did not clear now.  I installed without the Transmission mount bracket from D&D because my kit came without it and I had to wait for one which I got in the mail today.  This bracket replaces the stock one and moves the system in enough to clear the existing brake pedal.  In any case, I think I will keep the extended one on because I tryed both ways and like the feel of the extended one better.  The AC gets in your legs way and the longer/lower pedal is just easier for me to use.  I called D&D and told them I was riding without the bracket and they said it should not be a problem short term so off I went.  They clearly said I should put the thing on when I got it and warned me about any long term trips.  Glad the mystery is solved.  I truly love working on the thing so all the effort was a joy for me and I certainly know what to look at if I hear anything funny from now on.  I also experienced a little high cold idle tonight cause the thing was in my air conditioned garage for a little while before I restarted it and I will contact Zippers to get the remap that DC got for this issue.  I idled about 1600-1800 rpm for about 20-30 seconds while it was cold and this is not neccesary.  Not a big deal but I will get it fixed cause the little stuff tends to drive me crazy after a while.  Be safe  [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif] [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]JP

[ggraves427]

Very interesting. Thank you for providing the info.

[pappy2]

Ok I have a question for the gurus.  Since I added the Fatcat and air cleaner all to the right side and took off the original pipes, the bike is a little more weighted to the right and when you take hands off the bars wants to go just a little right which makes sense to me as nothing I did impacted the alignment or suspension in any way.  Any suggestions on how to get the thing to track straight and not want to lean a hair right?  I am thinking about the ghost pipe for the left side and this would probably make it work but was curious if anyone ever had and resolved this issue before?   This is very minor as I can obviously move my butt over to the left a little and make it work but prefer the dead straight track I had before?  JP  [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

[Fatboy]

Pappy2,

I'd try keeping my HD cooler bag with an 18 pack of Bud Light on ice in my left saddle bag as an equalizer. [smiley=laugh.gif] You may need to drink a few to get the levelization effect perfected..... [smiley=drink.gif] [smiley=drink.gif] [smiley=drink.gif]

Seriously though, I've always run with a (2 inot 1) V&H Pro-Pipe in the past and never noticed any pulling or steering concerns on any of the bikes I've run them on..... Is the Fat Cat a heavier set up?

Maybe its just that darned (and now famous) KuryAkyn brake pedal.  [smiley=oops.gif] [smiley=nixweiss.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]