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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #60 on: October 19, 2008, 11:06:43 AM »
Quote from: hard10 on October 19, 2008, 11:02:54 AM
Do you have a part number for these? I want to do the 251's as well while the heads are being removed for the 0905 "fix". Is there anything else I will need? And no Howie, I don't need a total engine replacement. I just want to keep this all HD (my money, my choice).

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AJ, according to the SE Catalog, with stock/ACR perfromance heads, the P/N is 18401-03. :2vrolijk_21:

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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #61 on: October 19, 2008, 11:44:11 AM »
hard 10,

Are you just doing the 251 cams or are you gona do the 10.5 pistons as well?
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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #62 on: October 19, 2008, 11:52:31 AM »
I went oversize on the 10.5 pistons to clean up the cylinder and maybe get a true bore. I did find out however that HD discontinued the .005 over pistons the only ones you can get now are standard bore or .010 over.
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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #63 on: October 19, 2008, 01:10:25 PM »
Quote from: Hoist! on October 19, 2008, 11:06:43 AM
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AJ, according to the SE Catalog, with stock/ACR perfromance heads, the P/N is 18401-03. :2vrolijk_21:

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Why 18401-03 ? = 18401-03 +.030"
Is it not 18400-03 ? = Original Equipment Length

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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #64 on: October 19, 2008, 01:27:57 PM »
Quote from: bisounours on October 19, 2008, 01:10:25 PM
Why 18401-03 ? = 18401-03 +.030"
Is it not 18400-03 ? = Original Equipment Length

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'09 SE Parts Catalog, P.52 Jacques. I can't reformat a TIF, so I can't post the page. They show an Application Chart for Perfect Fit Pushrods. ;)

http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Media/downloads/Racing/US_SE_P.pdf

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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #65 on: October 19, 2008, 01:38:05 PM »
Quote from: Hoist! on October 19, 2008, 01:27:57 PM
'09 SE Parts Catalog, P.52 Jacques. I can't reformat a TIF, so I can't post the page. They show an Application Chart for Perfect Fit Pushrods. ;)

http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Media/downloads/Racing/US_SE_P.pdf

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Stock length is 18400 - 03....   :2vrolijk_21:

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18400-03 Original Equipment Length.
18401-03 +.030"
18402-03 -.030"
18403-03 -.060"
18416-04 +.060"
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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #66 on: October 19, 2008, 01:42:48 PM »
Quote from: Unbalanced on October 17, 2008, 10:00:22 PM
BB,

I have not tried runnign the other 2 others you are referencing, but have run the 251 and it ran well for me.  I would still like the torque a tiny bit sooner than even the 251 brings it in, but I am afraid the ramps will be tough on the valve train and noisey.   

I've run the SE257 on LD for about 12,000 miles and absolutely love it. Ran the Evo version on several of those and also liked it. It does all it's business between 2,700 and 5,200 RPM's. Plenty of toque and good top end. Only cam(s) I like better are the DM590G put out by Dave Mackie Engineering. Bubba_T's 103 is a cross between an angry bull and a freight train.

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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #67 on: October 19, 2008, 01:48:00 PM »
Quote from: sadunbar on October 19, 2008, 01:38:05 PM
Stock length is 18400 - 03....   :2vrolijk_21:

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18400-03 Original Equipment Length.
18401-03 +.030"
18402-03 -.030"
18403-03 -.060"
18416-04 +.060"

Yep, and that Table says: for SE 251 Cams; Original Equipment, ACR Performance Heads, or 103+ Heads; use P/N 18401-03. You use the stock length for the stock SE 255 Cams. ;)

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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #68 on: October 19, 2008, 01:49:42 PM »
Quote from: Hoist! on October 19, 2008, 01:48:00 PM
Yep, and that Table says: for SE 251 Cams; Original Equipment, ACR Performance Heads, or 103+ Heads; use P/N 18401-03. You use the stock length for the stock SE 255 Cams. ;)

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yep - I saw that too, Howie.

 I was just trying to clarify the part numbers vs. the lengths...
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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #69 on: October 19, 2008, 02:06:00 PM »
Quote from: sadunbar on October 19, 2008, 01:49:42 PM
yep - I saw that too, Howie.

 I was just trying to clarify the part numbers vs. the lengths...

Just making sure everyone knew why I posted that P/N, just to make it clearer Scott. :2vrolijk_21:

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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #70 on: October 19, 2008, 02:49:46 PM »
I've seen this chart.
As you write : for SE 251 Cams; Original Equipment, ACR Performance Heads, or 103+ Heads; use P/N 18401-03.

That means we have ACR Performance Heads on our CUSE2/3.
Is it not the SE MVA ?

I think my dealer had made a mistake for his advise concerning my bike. :oops:

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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #71 on: October 19, 2008, 04:10:57 PM »
The SE MVA is a brand new head for 09, It is the new version of the CNC HTCC heads I believe because they no loger offer those. It is the highest flowing head the MOCO is currently offering. So no you do not have these heads on your bike. You also do not have the ACR performance heads. You have what is known as the Original equipment CVO 110 heads. The exact specs on them I'm not sure about.
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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #72 on: October 19, 2008, 04:12:07 PM »
Quote from: OILCAN1 on October 19, 2008, 04:10:57 PM
The SE MVA is a brand new head for 09, It is the new version of the CNC HTCC heads I believe because they no loger offer those. It is the highest flowing head the MOCO is currently offering. So no you do not have these heads on your bike. You also do not have the ACR performance heads. You have what is known as the Original equipment CVO 110 heads. The exact specs on them I'm not sure about.

I was told the same specs as OE.

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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #73 on: October 19, 2008, 04:20:56 PM »
Howie,

Have you heard of any one trying the new MVA heads yet?  I did notice on the pushrod fitment page the mva heads would use the 18400-03 pushrods with 251 cams.
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Re: SE 251 cam in a 110?
« Reply #74 on: October 19, 2008, 04:26:43 PM »
Quote from: OILCAN1 on October 19, 2008, 04:20:56 PM
Howie,

Have you heard of any one trying the new MVA heads yet?  I did notice on the pushrod fitment page the mva heads would use the 18400-03 pushrods with 251 cams.

No, but Vern's building one right now with the 110+ heads. They look like stock ported heads to us. He plugged the ACR holes and put manuals in. I heard the MVA's also have very large ports and valves, like 110 heads. Haven't seen a set yet though. ;)

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