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FINANCIAL FIX FOR THIS COUNTRY
« on: September 30, 2008, 03:10:40 PM »

OK guys and gals. On another thread we have been bitching about the financial meltdown. What I want to know is how do we fix it?

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Re: FINANCIAL FIX FOR THIS COUNTRY
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2008, 04:38:06 PM »

Well, since we the people elected the politicians who rigged the system to do what it eventually did, I tend to blame us.

That is a VERY unpopular opinion, since it implies we are responsible for electing the people we elect.  Anytime you tell someone they are responsible for something they did that went badly, you can expect a lot of whining, finger pointing, and sometimes irrational yelling.  Like the leaders in Congress are doing this week.

We also choose to do business with those mortgage companies instead of looking into other options when financing whatever we need to finance.  So we in fact accelerated the problem by doing business with the companies in trouble and elected the politicians that set the whole deal up.  Bet everybody feels better about now. Maybe not.

How do we fix it?  We elect a better level of politician is the trite answer. But it is not the answer.  Actually the best way to fix this mess is to cease living on credit.  Not likely we as a society will cease to live on credit, but that is the best way to ensure no future mortgage meltdowns occur.

Regulation, rescues, bailouts, money infusions, and blah blah just moves this problem a little further down the road for the next time.  That is the answer the politicians we elected are likely to decide on.
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Re: FINANCIAL FIX FOR THIS COUNTRY
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2008, 04:48:08 PM »

It seems to me that the Federal Government needs to try and prevent banks from failing due to a run on deposits. This means stepping up and guaranteeing all money markets and higher deposit insurance. Then it needs to continue what it is doing and trying to have some of the stronger banks buy up the weaker ones.  Longer term, there is not much they can do as we head into a potentially long recession. Americans need to pull back and save and reduce their standard of living. Hopefully we can produce more of the what the world wants and grow our way out of the problem over the long run (instead of spending our way into the problem). People need to realize that they cant rely on government as it is broke and incompetant.

here is an article from 1999 - pretty fascinating.
seems to me governemnt involvement in mortgage lending started this. Wall street was more than happy to finance it - and finance it with leverage - and thanks to Greenspan, rates were low so leverage was cheap and easy. Banks bought this paper not looking at the underlying credit since they were "rated" by the rating agencies.  What a mess!!!!



Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending
By STEVEN A. HOLMES

Published: September 30, 1999 (NYT)

In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders.

The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15 markets -- including the  New York metropolitan region -- will encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is generally not good enough to qualify for conventional loans. Fannie Mae officials say they hope to make it a nationwide program by next spring.

Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.

In addition, banks, thrift institutions and mortgage companies have been pressing Fannie Mae to help them make more loans to so-called subprime borrowers. These borrowers whose incomes, credit ratings and savings are not good enough to qualify for conventional loans, can only get loans from finance companies that charge much higher interest rates -- anywhere from three to four percentage points higher than conventional loans.

''Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990's by reducing down payment requirements,'' said Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae's chairman and chief executive officer. ''Yet there remain too many borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our underwriting has required who have been relegated to paying significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime market.''

In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980's.

''From the perspective of many people, including me, this is another thrift industry growing up around us,'' said Peter Wallison a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. ''If they fail, the government will have to step up and bail them out the way it stepped up and bailed out the thrift industry.''

Under Fannie Mae's pilot program, consumers who qualify can secure a mortgage with an interest rate one percentage point above that of a conventional, 30-year fixed rate mortgage of less than $240,000 -- a rate that currently averages about 7.76 per cent. If the borrower makes his or her monthly payments on time for two years, the one percentage point premium is dropped.

Fannie Mae officials stress that the new mortgages will be extended to all potential borrowers who can qualify for a mortgage. But they add that the move is intended in part to increase the number of minority and low income home owners who tend to have worse credit ratings than non-Hispanic whites.

Home ownership has, in fact, exploded among minorities during the economic boom of the 1990's. The number of mortgages extended to Hispanic applicants jumped by 87.2 per cent from 1993 to 1998, according to  Harvard  University 's  Joint  Center for Housing Studies. During that same period the number of African Americans who got mortgages to buy a home increased by 71.9 per cent and the number of Asian Americans by 46.3 per cent.

In July, the Department of Housing and Urban Development proposed that by the year 2001, 50 percent of Fannie Mae's and Freddie Mac's portfolio be made up of loans to low and moderate-income borrowers. Last year, 44 percent of the loans Fannie Mae purchased were from these groups.

The change in policy also comes at the same time that HUD is investigating allegations of racial discrimination in the automated underwriting systems used by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to determine the credit-worthiness of credit applicants.

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Re: FINANCIAL FIX FOR THIS COUNTRY
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2008, 05:01:01 PM »

OK guys and gals. On another thread we have been bitching about the financial meltdown. What I want to know is how do we fix it?

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Re: FINANCIAL FIX FOR THIS COUNTRY
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2008, 06:04:40 PM »

Close the boarders

Confiscate all foreign capital in the USA....

Change the dollar to another form of capital.....Europe did it.......now all the countries that hold US dollars are worthless

No longer allow importing of goods from companies that used to be based on American soil

Then we say....it's negotiation time
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Re: FINANCIAL FIX FOR THIS COUNTRY
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2008, 08:42:21 PM »

Quit sending foreign aid to every U S  hating berg around the world, Collect back all the loaned money and aid we have sent around the world. Make Japan ,Germany and all the other contries we rebuilt pay us back. Then quit screwing with every one and mind our own business. O ya one more thing Wheat should cost $500.00 a bushel if sent out side the USA.
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Re: FINANCIAL FIX FOR THIS COUNTRY
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2008, 09:07:57 PM »

I'm against the $700,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG. Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a "We Deserve It" dividend. To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+. Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab
at adults 18 and up.
 
So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals $425,000.00.
 
My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a "We Deserve It" dividend. Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So let's assume a tax rate of 30%. Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam. But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket.
 
A husband and wife has $595,000.00. What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
 
Pay off your mortgage - housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans - what a great boost to new grads
Put away money for college - it'll be there
Save in a bank - create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new CVO - create jobs
Invest in the market - capital drives growth
Pay for your parent's medical insurance - health care improves
Enable Deadbeat Moms and Dads to come clean - or else

Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.
 
If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it...instead of trickling out a puny $1000.00 ( "vote buy" ) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
 
If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!
 
As for AIG - liquidate it. Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American General. Sell off the real estate. Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up. Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.

Sure it's a crazy idea that can "never work."
 
But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party! How do you spell Economic Boom? I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion "We Deserve It" dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG
; or in Washington DC .

And remember, The Resqdoc plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.
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Re: FINANCIAL FIX FOR THIS COUNTRY
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2008, 09:15:09 PM »

I'm against the $700,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG. Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a "We Deserve It" dividend. To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+. Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab
at adults 18 and up.
 
So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals $425,000.00.
 
My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a "We Deserve It" dividend. Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So let's assume a tax rate of 30%. Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam. But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket.
 
A husband and wife has $595,000.00. What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
 
Pay off your mortgage - housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans - what a great boost to new grads
Put away money for college - it'll be there
Save in a bank - create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new CVO - create jobs
Invest in the market - capital drives growth
Pay for your parent's medical insurance - health care improves
Enable Deadbeat Moms and Dads to come clean - or else

Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.
 
If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it...instead of trickling out a puny $1000.00 ( "vote buy" ) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
 
If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!
 
As for AIG - liquidate it. Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American General. Sell off the real estate. Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up. Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.

Sure it's a crazy idea that can "never work."
 
But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party! How do you spell Economic Boom? I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion "We Deserve It" dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG
; or in Washington DC .

And remember, The Resqdoc plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.

The only problem is with your math...
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Re: FINANCIAL FIX FOR THIS COUNTRY
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2008, 09:16:42 PM »

Doc,
Good idea but your math is off a bit....by my calculator, if you divide $85,000,000,000 by 200,000,000 that equals $425 for each homeowner.   Now if you were to do $85Trillion (with a T) then you come out to $425,000 each.  I know, new math....

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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2008, 10:21:00 PM »

 :soapbox: Doh! Now I'll never get elected. Jackasses like Red Devil always checking my facts.....wait a minute those other guys make up stuff as they go too....I still gotta' shot :carrot: :cucumber: :pepper:
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Re: FINANCIAL FIX FOR THIS COUNTRY
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2008, 10:25:31 PM »

:soapbox: Doh! Now I'll never get elected. Jackasses like Red Devil always checking my facts.....wait a minute those other guys make up stuff as they go too....I still gotta' shot :carrot: :cucumber: :pepper:

Talk like that about my friends and you will never get my vote!
Actually you have already made up my mind!

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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2008, 10:35:24 PM »

Damn, more of a white out than a write in.
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Re: FINANCIAL FIX FOR THIS COUNTRY
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2008, 06:51:18 AM »

No taxes on corporations - zero.  All corporate taxes show up as hidden taxes in the cost of goods sold.

No taxes on capital gains - zero.  Investments are purchased with money that has already been taxed.  Capital gains taxes are double taxation.

No death (estate) tax - zero.  Estates are purchased and maintained with income that was already taxed. Taxing an estate is double taxation.

The above has been my idea of a financial fix for quite a few years now. 


If we did the first 2 only, a bailout would not be needed due to cost of goods drop plus enormous new investment opportunities.  The third one should be done since it is the right thing to do. It's FAIR.
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Re: FINANCIAL FIX FOR THIS COUNTRY
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2008, 07:23:14 AM »

The only problem is with your math...
Good for you Sandubar! I have watched this email make the rounds and, I must admit, I too thought how could something so simple NOT work? I did the math too, a dozen times and thought, how dumb am I, why can't I do this? DUH, because it can't be done. I got caught up in one of my own pet aggravations in that how easily I instantly fell in and believed it and would have been ready to spread it around. My friends, we have to be careful with all the information and MISINFORMATION that's out there. Challenge everything unless there's documentation to back it up. Even video can be simply cut and pasted to make a candidate, or anyone else for that matter, seem to say whatever we want them to seem to say. As one of the gullible ones myself, let's just be smart. It sure is a lot of fun though.
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Re: FINANCIAL FIX FOR THIS COUNTRY
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2008, 07:31:41 AM »

Massive govt. spending to send a  big check to each adult citizen devalues the dollar, increases the national debt, and will drive inflation higher - quickly.  Massive govt. spending to bail out businesses is not really any better - either way tax revenues will have to be increased at some point in time to cover the largesse.

South American countries have tried this with disastrous results.


On the other hand, wheelbarrow sales increase substantially since you would need one to carry the money you would need to buy a case of beer.
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