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Re: Looking To Upgrade! What's Your Advice?
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2008, 05:56:10 PM »

Add a music centre and play your old vinyl on it - I reckon you must have done everything else.
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Re: Looking To Upgrade! What's Your Advice?
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2008, 06:09:20 PM »

You've had 70,000 good miles with the current Harley setup. I would send in for a HD rebuild and ride another 70,000 miles and be happy.

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Was going to post same and then noticed hdbrad03's post above.

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Re: Looking To Upgrade! What's Your Advice?
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2008, 07:16:34 PM »

The way it looks (and I hope I'm wrong) you may want to save your money for Obama so he can give it to the guys behind Joe the plumber...
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Re: Looking To Upgrade! What's Your Advice?
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2008, 07:21:43 PM »

The way it looks (and I hope I'm wrong) you may want to save your money for Obama so he can give it to the guys behind Joe the plumber...


That's right.  Save your repair money for this bike.  Get a second bike instead so they can split miles.  Amortizing costs out over longer periods of time in shared miles is cheaper isn't it :nixweiss: ?
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Re: Looking To Upgrade! What's Your Advice?
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2008, 07:22:34 PM »


That's right.  Save your repair money for this bike.  Get a second bike instead so they can split miles.  Amortizing costs out over longer periods of time in shared miles is cheaper isn't it :nixweiss: ?


Wait.....  If that math is right Chip's new SEUC will actually end up being free after a little time passes :drink: .
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Re: Looking To Upgrade! What's Your Advice?
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2008, 07:25:04 PM »


Wait.....  If that math is right Chip's new SEUC will actually end up being free after a little time passes :drink: .


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Re: Looking To Upgrade! What's Your Advice?
« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2008, 10:25:03 PM »

so you've gotten 70k miles with the stock cam tensioner system, why mess with a good thing?...can't recall what cams '01 fltrse's have...if it's 203's I like them...on the '05 fl I owned before my current '08 fxdse, I ran 3 diffent se cams for 40k miles total:  211, 264, and 251..changed tensioner shoes at 12k  miles...no problems at all..we must remember a lot of what we hear on the internet is sales pitch, aimed at convincing us to buy unnecessary stuff...on the other hand, if you really must pour few grand into it, we can help you design a 125hp drop-on kit without splitting cases <g>
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Re: Looking To Upgrade! What's Your Advice?
« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2008, 11:04:27 PM »

The way it looks (and I hope I'm wrong) you may want to save your money for Obama so he can give it to the guys behind Joe the plumber...

There's a lesson in this whole Joe the plumber fiasco and it's  - - - - - - run like hell when you see a politician coming followed closely by media

Joe the plumber is now getting roundly trounced for being behind on his taxes a shade less than $1,200. Has been accused of working as a plumber without a license. And is the butt of jokes from Leno to Letterman.

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Re: Looking To Upgrade! What's Your Advice?
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2008, 01:49:01 AM »

You've had 70,000 good miles with the current Harley setup. I would send in for a HD rebuild and ride another 70,000 miles and be happy.

 :pumpkin: :bananarock:
   Brad

I like this idea, I was going to suggest a motor from a V-Rod for longevity.

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Re: Looking To Upgrade! What's Your Advice?
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2008, 04:26:01 PM »

I think at 70k I'd probably go the HD reman route.  I considered it recently when my cam tensioners failed at 37k.  The dealer told me $3680 installed but the other folks are right (I checked) - if you go reman, YOU WILL GET THE SAME OLD P.O.S. TENSIONER system. The reman motor comes w/12 month 12k warranty.

Gears may be the most durable fix but I was told by more than one wrench that if you have excessive pinion runout and you may with 70k miles, they will be noisy.  They said they even had to remove them for folks who couldn't stand it. 

I called Andrews and spoke with them at length and their tech was very high on the roller chain conversion and hydraulic tensioners.  Said the new shoes are a much better quality and that the chain can better compensate for pinion runout.  That is the way I went and it was $1650 out the door with cams, cam plate, higher capacity oil pump, adjustable pushrods, new lifters, and the rest of the sprockets, gaskets, spacers with SYN3 oil and filter  (incl 6 hours labor).  The stock cams are SE203s and I went with 37Ns which gave me a little more punch.  I saw someone mentioned the possibility of problems with these hydraulic tensioners at 35k but both sources I talked to said they have examples of motors with 50k or more and no appreciable wear.  My motor is now solid and quiet.  I suggest you call Andrews yourself if you don't want to go the whole reman route. They even referred me to a independent who has put together an entire installation kit for under a $1000 if you handy enough to do it yourself.  His name is John Wadworth and he can be reached at herko@insightbb.com you can tell him Randy with the SERG referred you. 

Anxious to hear which route you choose and your results.  I am always happy to hear of folks who go 60-70k plus miles with these older SERG's with the economy as it as, I suspect I might try to get mine (currently at 39k) into that same range too - one guy in our local club has an '00 SERG and just turned 100k!!  He is a pretty competent wrench in his own right and says he has never gotten into the bottom of the motor.  He had the same problem with chain tensioners at 42k and went gears (510Gs?) and did hp heads at the same time and has been happy with his decision these last 60k miles and his sees some rough duty pulling a sidecar 90% of the time.

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Re: Looking To Upgrade! What's Your Advice?
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2008, 01:51:53 PM »

well the poll says you guys sujest do the tensioners and keep rolling!
so thats my plan. will be my 3rd set..we will see about the newer set-up with the hidrolic setup
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Re: Looking To Upgrade! What's Your Advice?
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2008, 02:01:10 PM »

well the poll says you guys sujest do the tensioners and keep rolling!
so thats my plan. will be my 3rd set..we will see about the newer set-up with the hidrolic setup

Many of you know or know of site member Carl Hubbard and his faster than you can imagine Ultra-Classic " Maudie" One of the things I find interesting is that Hub runs a cam chain set-up in his bike. Just thought I'd toss this out there

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Re: Looking To Upgrade! What's Your Advice?
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2008, 02:08:56 PM »

well the poll says you guys sujest do the tensioners and keep rolling!
so thats my plan. will be my 3rd set..we will see about the newer set-up with the hidrolic setup

If ya got the $$, why not convert to the newer hydraulic ones. You'll also get the new, better oil pump. Then call it a day. And just get used to the rat-a-tat-tat of the TC motor! Or get a louder exhaust!!! ;D ;D ;D :2vrolijk_21:

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Re: Looking To Upgrade! What's Your Advice?
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2008, 02:23:12 PM »

to go to the new hydraulic setup requires new cams, or at least removing the current "gears" and pressing on new ones
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Re: Looking To Upgrade! What's Your Advice?
« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2008, 02:39:46 PM »

to go to the new hydraulic setup requires new cams, or at least removing the current "gears" and pressing on new ones

Sorry, yep new cams required too. I'd also do the lifters and pushrods at the same time while in there, and maybe even the rocker arms. The stock 203's are pretty good in a '95. I'd prolly just get them in the newer config. Might as well recross hatch the cylinders and get new rings. That setup will be good for another easy 70K that way! ;)

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