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[Mrs Red Hot]

My husband heard this yesterday from both our dealer and one of their mechanics. Next year on all the 2007 bikes you will not be able to add *ANY* aftermarket exhaust to your Harley's. The reason is that Harley is going with the catalyst equipped exhaust on all their bikes. You will only be able to change to any other Harley Exhaust that will be offered, of which will also be catalyst equipped. The sound will be better than stock, but probably not the sound many of us are use to on our bikes today. I'm sure all the aftermarket venders will come up with catalyst equipped exhaust that might be able to be added. But from what my husband was told we will only be able to use Harley equipment.  I guess our government and their EPA rules have finally won out. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]  Sandy

[Scrrem]

Yeah, it's been rumored for a while, we all knew it was coming  Glad I bought my 05 SEEG

[Mrs Red Hot]

Yeah, it's been rumored for a while, we all knew it was coming  Glad I bought my 05 SEEG

That's exactlly what my husband said about our 05 bikes. He likes them better than anything we've seen in the 06's so far.  [smiley=laugh.gif]  Sandy

[grc]

My husband heard this yesterday from both our dealer and one of their mechanics. Next year on all the 2007 bikes you will not be able to add *ANY* aftermarket exhaust to your Harley's. The reason is that Harley is going with the catalyst equipped exhaust on all their bikes. You will only be able to change to any other Harley Exhaust that will be offered, of which will also be catalyst equipped. The sound will be better than stock, but probably not the sound many of us are use to on our bikes today. I'm sure all the aftermarket venders will come up with catalyst equipped exhaust that might be able to be added. But from what my husband was told we will only be able to use Harley equipment.  [bgcolor=Yellow]I guess our government and their EPA rules have finally won out.[/bgcolor] [smiley=nixweiss.gif]  Sandy

Not neccesarily.  I've read a ton of material in the past year in various mags and on this site claiming that we will be unable to modify our bikes starting in 2006, won't be able to change exhausts, cams, whatever.  What everyone seems to be missing is that the anti-tampering provisions in the EPA rules are nothing new (they have always been there) and that every one of us who is running non-stock pipes, air cleaners, and maps is already in violation.  No one has ever enforced it, and considering the budget constraints in local, state, and federal government the odds are good that it still won't be enforced.  Unless government at some level intends to start doing "sniffer" tests on bikes, how are they to know what we've done?  My only suggestion to those who make changes would be to save the original parts, just in case I'm full of it.  

[Twolanerider]

Initial gut reaction is that things won't be as absolute as Harley would like us to believe.  After all, if it's a Harley parts only kind of world than the user base is captive.  And that's Harley's biggest wettest dream.

The auto makers have floated similar ideas over the years.  Service would, supposedly, have to be in dealerships because of some technology or other.  Exhaust or other emissions systems couldn't be touched outside a dealerhsip.  Etc etc etc.  But Hooker (for but one example) keeps right on making both engine-back and cat-back exhaust systems and everyone is still happy and (basically) legal.

Things may indeed change some for 2007 (or whatever year).  After all, things always change.  But the aftermarket is so diverse and agressive and the users demanding enough that it's a good bet it won't stay captive very long; no matter how much Harley might like it.

[MAVERICK]

My husband heard this yesterday from both our dealer and one of their mechanics. Next year on all the 2007 bikes you will not be able to add *ANY* aftermarket exhaust to your Harley's. The reason is that Harley is going with the catalyst equipped exhaust on all their bikes. You will only be able to change to any other Harley Exhaust that will be offered, of which will also be catalyst equipped. The sound will be better than stock, but probably not the sound many of us are use to on our bikes today. I'm sure all the aftermarket venders will come up with catalyst equipped exhaust that might be able to be added. But from what my husband was told we will only be able to use Harley equipment.  I guess our government and their EPA rules have finally won out. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]  Sandy

This EPA stuff started back in the early 70s on cars. The hot rod aftermarket companies are still around almost 35 years later.  [smiley=confused5.gif] [smiley=nixweiss.gif] [smiley=shocked2.gif]

[70_GTX]

Have you noticed in the 06 parts catalog, in the Screamin' Eagle section. An active performance muffler kit. Page 538.The next page shows catalyst mufflers.

[Twolanerider]

Have you noticed in the 06 parts catalog, in the Screamin' Eagle section. An active performance muffler kit. Page 538.The next page shows catalyst mufflers.

That was released late last year or early this year.  Somewhere in that time frame anyway.  Ironic thing about the "Screamin Eagle Active Performance" mufflers is that you can't use them on your Screamin' Eagle Electra Glide.  Their fitment was for 05 and up touring bikes except FLHTCSE.  Some difference in our ECM's map that won't trigger the gate in the exhaust system correctly.

[Screamin]

 Unless government at some level intends to start doing "sniffer" tests on bikes, how are they to know what we've done?  My only suggestion to those who make changes would be to save the original parts, just in case I'm full of it.  

They "sniff" cars in parts of Ohio now. Won't take much to bring bikes into the mix. Sucks. How many wrote the EPA and their elected reps when the provisions were under consideration for incorporation into the last CFR?

[Mrs Red Hot]

Not neccesarily.  I've read a ton of material in the past year in various mags and on this site claiming that we will be unable to modify our bikes starting in 2006, won't be able to change exhausts, cams, whatever.  What everyone seems to be missing is that the anti-tampering provisions in the EPA rules are nothing new (they have always been there) and that every one of us who is running non-stock pipes, air cleaners, and maps is already in violation.  No one has ever enforced it, and considering the budget constraints in local, state, and federal government the odds are good that it still won't be enforced.  Unless government at some level intends to start doing "sniffer" tests on bikes, how are they to know what we've done?  My only suggestion to those who make changes would be to save the original parts, just in case I'm full of it.  

Sure I understand all that, but from the way my husband was told, he understond our dealer to mean that HD might be doing something to make it impossible to use any other exhaust on thier bikes but what they sell. At least that's the meaning that was convayed to him from the dealer. We were talking about it last night and was wondering what could they do if anything to make that a possibility. Sandy

[Mrs Red Hot]

This EPA stuff started back in the early 70s on cars. The hot rod aftermarket companies are still around almost 35 years later.  [smiley=confused5.gif] [smiley=nixweiss.gif] [smiley=shocked2.gif]

That's our thought too. Maybe the guys over at our dealer are just blowing a little smoke on the possibility of not being able to use anything but HD products. But they did say some EPA exhaust changes are definitely comming in 07. Sandy

[BLM777]

HD is, of course, spreading the politically correct BS regarding the EPA changes.  Will it effect any of us?  My view is that it won't effect anything any longer than it takes for me to clean up a new pickup every year and put the cat converter in the dumpster.  Just one more little change in getting a production bike to run and perform correctly.

[grc]

That's our thought too. [bgcolor=Yellow]Maybe[/bgcolor] the guys over at our dealer are just blowing a little smoke on the possibility of not being able to use anything but HD products. But they did say some EPA exhaust changes are definitely comming in 07. Sandy

Maybe?  I believe what you will see is that a franchised dealer will not be able to install non-conforming parts like they do now without running the risk of a $10,000 fine per occurrence.  That is what happened in the automotive sector; only franchised dealers were ever targeted for fines.  Non-conforming parts will still be available, labeled for "Off Road Use Only", but the dealers will be less likely to risk installing them for you on a bike that is obviously being used on the highway.  That's assuming that anyone actually enforces the anti-tampering portion of the new regulations, which is doubtful.

[JCZ]

I believe you may have meant a "catalitic converter" rather than a catlyist.  Simular to the charcoal smog cannister that has come on the Calif. emissions equipped bikes for a number of years now.  However, until there's an annual inspection or testing of some sort, people will continue to do what they have done........take em off and throw them away. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

[HUBBARD]

And those of us who "JONES" for Horsepower, will always find a way to "skin the cat!"  Ride Hard!  Later--HUBBARD