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[HDJamsTX]

I was wondering how many of you are running a 2 into 1 pipe on your SEEG?

Do you feel you get better performance (HP/TQ) out of it than a true dual exhaust?

I wanted to go with Rinehart true duals but with all the bad rep there getting right now
i think i may stay away from them.

On the other hand, I have heard nothing but good things about the D&D Fatcat 2 into 1 System. Plus they have a false pipe if i still want the dual pipe look.

This Exhaust searching is going to drive me crazy  [smiley=confused5.gif]

Thanks......Hammer

[Fired00d]

Hammer,

As for performance you will more then likely get better HP/TQ numbers with a 2 into 1 setup. And you are right you can get the falsey to give the look of duals, so you can keep the balanced look if that is what you are after.

Your best bet is to find someone that has the pipes you are interested in, look, listen then decide what pleases you both by looks and sound. What would really be the best scenario is if they have the same motor setup as you have or you are going to achieve. With that in mind if they have dyno sheets of what numbers they are getting would really be help in making a decision. Keep in mind no two motors are exactly alike, but there information will get you "ball park" figures.

For me when I was deciding what I wanted I rode friends FLHRSEI2, which had, Stage 1 done on it (Rinehart's, Power Commander, SE Stage One Breather). I then went and talked to mechanic that would be installing and got their recommendations. I added the above modifications all but the PC, my mechanic likes the SE Race Tuner better, and since I was going to have him dyno bike I went with RT.

I'm not sure what you've been hearing about Rinehart’s, but I'm happy with them, and have had no problems either. When I was deciding I knew I wanted true duals, and looked at Bassani "Power Curve" and Rinehart’s. After hearing them both, and actually talking to the person that had the Bassani's he stated that if Rinehart’s had been out when he got his pipes he probably would have went with Rinehart’s.

BTW my last bike ('96 Fatboy Stage III Motor) I had Vance & Hines Pro Pipe H/S (w/Competition Baffle), which I absolutely loved on that bike, and the numbers it put out were impressive. For that bike the look was awesome, and the sound was great. It wasn't a "straight pipe" obnoxious sound, but man would set off car alarms.  [smiley=laugh.gif]

Bottom line it's going to come down to personal preference. Take your time absorb as much information as you can, then decide.

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Ride safe,
Fired00d
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[JCZ]

I have the Vance & Hines Pro Pipe (2 into 1) and turn 100 HP and 104.6 TQ.

Just for the record......Thunderheader also makes a 2 into 1 with a dummy left side.  But I'm on the verge of buying the D&D Fat Cats and also putting in the gear drive cams.

[Michael]

This is the 3rd bike I have put the Screamin Eagle Pro 2:1 on. As we all know, the SE Pro is made by V&H. Im very happy with the performance and look. My only suggestion is to replace the collector clamp that comes with it with a real clampco style.

[Michael]

These clamps are awesome. www.clampco.com.

FYI, I made 95hp, 105tq.

[Laker]

Check out this thread. There is an article posted from American Rider comparing the Rineharts and the D&D.  

http://flhrsei.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=cvo_gen;action=display;num=1114048289;start=0

[phattey]

I've had the Pro-Pipe on my last three bikes...'00 Road king, '03 Deuce, and now my '05 SEEG.

I love 'em, but I also desire the dual look on a bagger. Thus, I ordered a set of Freedoms, which are in now, but my son at FSU "decided" I needed to spend a lot more on his Fall term, thus I had to pass on the Freedoms this time around.  [smiley=cry2.gif]

Any 2into1 will sound a little different than the true duals also. Sounds more like a mean old chevy big block with headers and a loopy cam..

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[Scrrem]

The 2 into 1 pipes are definitely going to give you more power but I prefer the look of the dual exhaust.  I have been running Reinharts on my SEEG for about 9 months not and no problems with mine, and I love the sound.

[MAVERICK]

I went with a Hooker 2 into 1 .   [smiley=banana.gif] [smiley=jalapeno.gif] I was real close to purchasing the D&D but didnt. I heard the D&D was a good design.  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]  [smiley=bigok.gif]

[BLM777]

Geeez....I just hate that some of you guys are missing the religious experience of running Rineharts! [smiley=laugh.gif]

[hd2003-se2005]

Geeez....I just hate that some of you guys are missing the religious experience of running Rineharts! [smiley=laugh.gif]

Brian

What get me is all these experts pronounce that a 2 into 1 makes more horsepower.

WHERE IS THE PROOF?

I will agree that a 2 into 1 makes more torque in the typical riding RPM range.
But that's a lot different than "makes more"

So many people don't understand the difference between "more" overall and more where you spend most of your riding time.

What was that line in the movie?

"JUST THE FACT MAM, JUST THE FACTS!"




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[HUBBARD]

Brian

What get me is all these experts pronounce that a 2 into 1 makes more horsepower.

WHERE IS THE PROOF?

I will agree that a 2 into 1 makes more torque in the typical riding RPM range.
But that's a lot different than "makes more"

So many people don't understand the difference between "more" overall and more where you spend most of your riding time.

What was that line in the movie?

"JUST THE FACT MAM, JUST THE FACTS!"




  [smiley=cherry.gif] [smiley=jalapeno.gif] [smiley=pumpkin.gif] [smiley=banana.gif]

Yeah, 'er 'uh, hd2003,
 That wasn't a movie, Ange!  That was Sgt. Joe Friday, on Dragnet, the Series.  Get your facts straight, Chipper, and stick to the topic. [smiley=bigok.gif]  Big Brother is watching you! [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]  Later--HUBBARD

[HUBBARD]

Geeez....I just hate that some of you guys are missing the religious experience of running Rineharts! [smiley=laugh.gif]

Yeah, 'er 'uh, BLM777,
 Great minds think alike! [smiley=scholar.gif]  Here's one for the rookies [smiley=verkleidung005.gif]:  Pipes may come, and Pipes may go.  Pipes may peter out, you know.  But Rinehart's your Friend, through thick and thin--Baffle out, or Baffle in!!!  Stay out of my Draft, SHRADER and Chipper, or you will catch a dose of the "High Speed Wobbles!" [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]  Later--HUBBARD

[Coolbreeze]

Yeah, 'er 'uh, BLM777,    .....
   Pipes may come, and Pipes may go.  
Pipes may peter out, you know.  
  But Rinehart's your Friend,  through thick and thin-
-Baffle out, or Baffle in!!!  

Stay out of my Draft, SHRADER and Chipper, or you will catch a dose of the "High Speed Wobbles!" [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]  Later--HUBBARD

Aww jeez, Hubbard!   Ya bring a tear to my eye!   Bootiful!  I coudna said it better!!!   [smiley=cry2.gif]



As far as 2-1 pipes making "more"....  They really do.  It works like a header.  One exhaust pulse creates a low pressure pulse behind it, which sucks the next exhaust pulse out more efficiently, making room for next pulse, which is also pulled out more efficiently...  etc...      A good header is the one thing that you can do to an engine which actually makes more horsepower AND more torque, for less fuel...  (Until you reach truly obsene flow requirements like a 2k hp top fuel motor, which we probably don't need to go into in depth for the purposes of this conversation...)

Ya can't go wrong with a 2-1 exhaust, except it looks like chit on a bagger...

[grc]

As far as 2-1 pipes making "more"....  They really do.  It works like a header.  One exhaust pulse creates a low pressure pulse behind it, which sucks the next exhaust pulse out more efficiently, making room for next pulse, which is also pulled out more efficiently...  etc...      A good header is the one thing that you can do to an engine which actually makes more horsepower AND more torque, for less fuel...  (Until you reach truly obsene flow requirements like a 2k hp top fuel motor, which we probably don't need to go into in depth for the purposes of this conversation...)

Ya can't go wrong with a 2-1 exhaust, except it looks like chit on a bagger...

Cool,

You are absolutely correct.  A properly designed 2-1 exhaust should outperform individual pipes.  If you'll notice, racing cars (other than top fuel dragsters, where exhaust systems don't matter) use header/collector exhaust systems.  You may also notice that H-D uses a crossover tube on all of their 2 into 2 exhaust systems, which provides some of the same benefits that you noted for 2-1 systems.

In my humble opinion, the driving force behind the so-called "true-dual" systems has more to do with the sound quality.  As with drag pipes, the individual pipes provide more of that uneven sound Harley is noted for, with the uneven firing of the 45 degree v-twin.  When you add a crossover tube or a 2-1 system, you tend to dilute that sound quality.