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[Road Hog]

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Here is what I am wrestling with concerning my 09 SEUC. 

The bike has enough power for my two-up touring so that's no problem.   It does not need to be cutting edge fast; 100 mph is fast enough.   After owning an '02 RK 95" stage two that I finally sold because I could not afford to keep it running any longer and tired of being stranded in the middle of nowhere with a scooter that wouldn't run or run well, I want my bike to go 100K miles without rebuilds, get decent mileage/range and I want it reliable.  I understand the 110 has some issues.  For me it is about seeing things, riding technique and fast curves, not a bike project.  In a perfect world, I would buy just gas and tires, perform regular maintenance.  Lots of each.  I ride some 20K each year.

What do you think I should address in this engine to reach my goals with this bike?  Popping the CC seems reasonable.  What else?

Thanks.

Road Hog

[REGGAB]

This quesstion is copied from another forum topic.

Here is what I am wrestling with concerning my 09 SEUC. 

The bike has enough power for my two-up touring so that's no problem.   It does not need to be cutting edge fast; 100 mph is fast enough.   After owning an '02 RK 95" stage two that I finally sold because I could not afford to keep it running any longer and tired of being stranded in the middle of nowhere with a scooter that wouldn't run or run well, I want my bike to go 100K miles without rebuilds, get decent mileage/range and I want it reliable.  I understand the 110 has some issues.  For me it is about seeing things, riding technique and fast curves, not a bike project.  In a perfect world, I would buy just gas and tires, perform regular maintenance.  Lots of each.  I ride some 20K each year.

What do you think I should address in this engine to reach my goals with this bike?  Popping the CC seems reasonable.  What else?

Thanks.

Road Hog

I know this isn't an answer to your question.  I really have no idea how to answer it anyway, but I do have a question for you.........especially since I now own an 02 FLHR.  It is a carb'd bike and still 88cid.  What was wrong with your RK?  First I've heard of a bike of that vintage with a bad attitude.   

[Road Hog]

Before my '02 RK was delivered, I had 95" jugs put in plus stage 1, (injected) cuz for two up riding I felt 88 was under powered..  Running very hot so added oil cooler and power commander.  40K, cam chain tensioner.  Then a new starter.  50 K, replaced the 95 with new jugs and cylinders and added heads.  70K, gear driven cams.  83K another starter.  When I saw the leak at the bottom of the real cylinder at 84K, I traded it in on the 09 SEUC.

We did a lot of 3-4000 miles trips with others before 50K and on every trip without exception I had to hit a dealership at least once for some problem, one trip three times, spending money and delaying the trip for the entire group.  Started going to a private shop for 50K new jugs and cylinders and was finally able to do a 12K trip without problems.  HD service was expensive and marginal quality.

Scooters should be about riding, not a bike project which for many reasons, this bike became. 

Road Hog

[PR3VS56]

Subscribed.  Looking forward to your replies.

[REGGAB]

Before my '02 RK was delivered, I had 95" jugs put in plus stage 1, (injected) cuz for two up riding I felt 88 was under powered..  Running very hot so added oil cooler and power commander.  40K, cam chain tensioner.  Then a new starter.  50 K, replaced the 95 with new jugs and cylinders and added heads.  70K, gear driven cams.  83K another starter.  When I saw the leak at the bottom of the real cylinder at 84K, I traded it in on the 09 SEUC.

We did a lot of 3-4000 miles trips with others before 50K and on every trip without exception I had to hit a dealership at least once for some problem, one trip three times, spending money and delaying the trip for the entire group.  Started going to a private shop for 50K new jugs and cylinders and was finally able to do a 12K trip without problems.  HD service was expensive and marginal quality.

Scooters should be about riding, not a bike project which for many reasons, this bike became. 

Road Hog

Thanks much for the explanation.

[Unbalanced]

Road Hog,

Having been down the road of messing with the 07 extensively through all the different iterations, In my experience I think you are best served by the following. 

Remove the CC
Put on a set of slip on mufflers you can tolerate or baffles like Full Sac or a pipe you like when available.
Put on an open air cleaner with non harley filter (washable / reusable)
Tune the bike
Possibly new front shocks like Traxxion if you like to corner
Possibly better rear shocks for the BSR.
Add additional bling / chrome / etc

If you are after 100k miles, I would not change the cam, I would not mess with the heads leave it be and ride the hell out of it.

The Liabilities you may have: 

1.  No one is certain the head leaks have been fixed
2.  No one is certain the compression releases will still not fail
3.  At some point you may want to check your crank runout for piece of mind
4.  Heated hand grips may fail you, but wont stop you from riding
5.  Check the tensioners at the appropriate points to ease the worrying.   This can be done when crank run out is checked.

This probably nothing you haven't already thought of.   Best of luck with your new bike !!!

[opee6969]

I have also had the same concerns. I just want my SEUC to be reliable and give me a lot of good years of reliable service. Between my 5 other scooters there is enough speed to keep my satisfied. The EFI bikes are endless projects if you want them to be. I'd just like my SEUC to sound like a Harley, run well, not burn me up when caught in traffic, and start when I hit the button. Just my .02 worth.

Opee

[Road Hog]

Thanks, Unbalanced.  Just the kind of info I am looking for.

[Unbalanced]

Your Welcome

[chanman]

I have to tell you I am wondering if I have made a mistake. I had an 06 SE Ultra that I just loved. The 103 engine ran like a top. I didnt do much to it new air breather,race tuner and some vance and hines slip ons. Put 34K on it in 2 years and never once had a problem. Well I just got a wild hair and purchased an 09 in Sept. THis was before reading as much as I should have about the 110, as I have written before we were in Vega in Traffic and it started clattering, as soon as we started moving it quit but did it again on Las Vegas Blvd. AS soon as we are moving it quits down but it was so loud it sounded like it was coming apart. I have not had a break down prblem YET. We were on a chapter ride yesterday and in traffic I started hearing noises in the top in like metal bouncing around but again it quieted don when we got to moving along steadily.
I just know this SOB is goin gto break down sometime soon and leave me stranded, it is just a matter of time. And what I hate the most is going out to get on it with no confidence. I wish I could just undo it al;l and have the 103. I am not sure out on the road my 110 runs that much better anyway.
When I took it to the dealer they said well we havent heard of many problems with the 110, I started laughing and referred them to this site. They tried to "recreate" the problem but of course they couldn't.
We are travelers taking weekend,week long and sometimes 2 week trips as time allows, anybody got any ideas how how to bring the issue to a head so it either blows up or steadies out

[REGGAB]

I have to tell you I am wondering if I have made a mistake. I had an 06 SE Ultra that I just loved. The 103 engine ran like a top. I didnt do much to it new air breather,race tuner and some vance and hines slip ons. Put 34K on it in 2 years and never once had a problem. Well I just got a wild hair and purchased an 09 in Sept. THis was before reading as much as I should have about the 110, as I have written before we were in Vega in Traffic and it started clattering, as soon as we started moving it quit but did it again on Las Vegas Blvd. AS soon as we are moving it quits down but it was so loud it sounded like it was coming apart. I have not had a break down prblem YET. We were on a chapter ride yesterday and in traffic I started hearing noises in the top in like metal bouncing around but again it quieted don when we got to moving along steadily.
I just know this SOB is goin gto break down sometime soon and leave me stranded, it is just a matter of time. And what I hate the most is going out to get on it with no confidence. I wish I could just undo it al;l and have the 103. I am not sure out on the road my 110 runs that much better anyway.
When I took it to the dealer they said well we havent heard of many problems with the 110, I started laughing and referred them to this site. They tried to "recreate" the problem but of course they couldn't.
We are travelers taking weekend,week long and sometimes 2 week trips as time allows, anybody got any ideas how how to bring the issue to a head so it either blows up or steadies out

Keeping reading/searching this site, my friend.  There are myriad accounts of what folks have done to make their scooters reliable.  You'll work it out.   

[Unbalanced]

Have you considered having the dealer turn off EITMS / single cylinder shut down?

I am not recommending the following but since you asked how you could do it.   You could recreate the shut down by putting the bike on the dealers dyno and running it htere with no fans and letting it get nice and warm.  At some point if you run it in the room it should get hot enough with no air blowing over it to put it in single cylinder mode.

I would rather turn off the EITMS, ensure the bike is properly tuned and move on down the road.  The problem you are indicating seems to be over-heating.

Additional cures usually include removing the lowers, letting the motor breath with pipes / air cleaner and a GOOD tune.

Good luck with the issue.