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DJA

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I have a question.
« on: November 14, 2008, 07:37:03 PM »

I have heard other SEUC3's having this issue and am wondering what the resolution is. I have a hesitation in the throttle response when I take off from idle. It is like you wait 2-4 seconds and then the engine rpm catches up. I have had this issue going into turns as well It almost makes me feel like I am going to dump the bike. I mentioned this to the dealer and have had two or three responses. One was that they replaced the fly by wire the other has been that this is normal. I say BS. I am taking it in for the recall in a few days and want this problem fixed as well. I am getting new heads on my baby. The word from Harley is that there is no automatic compression release when starting the motor. Right. This may be but it is because the heads were leaking. I have not had a problem with my SEUC3 leaking. It has been running fine. Since the day  picked it up it has had a SERT and Rinehart True Duals. So any ideas about the throttle response or lack there of? My heated grips and seats seem to be working well. No troubles there. Anything I need to be aware of. I have been away for some time and not keeping up.
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Re: I have a question.
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2008, 08:08:07 PM »

Not sure if they released a fix for this "dead band" problem or not, but if they didn't you can fix it yourself with a SEST.  The following Tech Tip explains where the problem originated:
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TT380 – June 12, 2008 - High Idle Complaints on 2008 Touring Models High Idle Complaints on 2008 Touring Models

Due to ’08 Electronic Throttle Control calibration strategy parameters and throttle grip sensor variability some customers have experienced intermittent changes in idle RPMs. This condition is caused by a change in the zero position stored to memory in the ECM, as determined by the last four readings seen at key OFF. This cannot increase engine speed while riding but would change the idle RPM, similar to adjusting the throttle stop screw on a carbureted model.
To correct this condition we will be making several changes to the throttle grip sensor to reduce voltage variances and also update the way the calibration’s strategy looks at and records these voltages. Completion of these changes and test validation will take several months.
In the interim we have released revised calibrations in the latest version of Digital Tech to alleviate the high idle concerns for those customers experiencing the condition. The current software version (1.004.001) and details of the changes can be viewed by selecting the What’s New button on the home screen of DTII. This info is also on h-dnet under:
Service>Tools & Equipment Info>DTII>Version Updates-What’s New.
The new calibrations will leave the ECM powered up for 10 seconds after key OFF to complete housekeeping, allowing the rider more opportunity to release the throttle grip, so the throttle control can return to true zero before the ECM power is shutdown. This should eliminate rider induced
zeroing issues. Additionally, the new calibrations will be less sensitive to voltage changes due to an increased dead-band in the operating strategy. Under certain conditions and riding styles some customers may notice a slightly different throttle feel, or comment on reduced engine responsiveness. This is due to the increased dead-band and will feel similar to a loose throttle cable adjustment on non-ETC vehicles. Therefore, we recommend only reflashing vehicles for customers experiencing the high idle concern and wait for the next version calibrations before updating vehicles on a wider scale.[/b]
SE Race Tuner and SE Super Tuner calibrations have not been updated at this time, and reflashing a stock cal over a Tuner cal may only temporarily alleviate the high idle, until you reflash back to a tuner cal. It is recommended anytime you replace ECM, TGS or Reflash the calibration to cycle the Ign.
switch 4 times, waiting 10 full seconds after keying off between cycles, to relearn zero TGS position.

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Check with your dealer and see if there is a later ECM calibration available for your bike (they will have to connect it to their Digital Technician equipment to check for available calibrations for your particular VIN).

Jerry
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Re: I have a question.
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2008, 11:26:55 PM »

when I had my bike dyno tuned he took the delay out of the electronic throttle now it responds like it has cables.
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Re: I have a question.
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2008, 09:55:52 AM »

Who was the tuner and what did he use to tune (sert, pc3, ttc, etc....)?
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Re: I have a question.
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2008, 12:03:17 PM »

Who was the tuner and what did he use to tune (sert, pc3, ttc, etc....)?

With the TTS Master Tune you can use this setting to get cable-type actuation:

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