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[HogBreath]

This man is a genius!  Let's see if I understand this right.  The big problem is excessive heat.  Gosh who would've thunk it?  The spiney lock feature to secure the cylinder liners do not go far enough to the top of the jug which lets them move enough to disturb the even mating service required for the mls gaskets to make a good seal. 

So we need to reduce the heat which can be done through a variety of methods - sert, pc, etc., to richen the fuel mixture.  And we can change cams too and maybe even change over to Axtel cylinders and use higher tensile strength cylinder studs.

Oh yeah, and we can add a fan and perhaps a colder spark plug in the rear cylinder.

And for all this valuable information we waited what - over a year.  Give me a break.

I would have to say, ever since installing a Jim's engine in mine, my 110 HD engine hasn't leaked another drop. 

[Fired00d]

I would have to say, ever since installing a Jim's engine in mine, my 110 HD engine hasn't leaked another drop. 

You ain't right!!!

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[FNGw/08SERK]

You ain't right!!!

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

No he's not but it is funny isn't it. Hey maybe I could cop Hogbreath's 110 and between his and mine maybe I could build one that won't leak       

[Fired00d]

No he's not but it is funny isn't it. Hey maybe I could cop Hogbreath's 110 and between his and mine maybe I could build one that won't leak       

Or you could follow his lead and get a Jims.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[FNGw/08SERK]

Or you could follow his lead and get a Jims.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

      

[Fired00d]

      

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[grc]

It's a hoot, aint it??  And, it's NOT over, Part VI is next month!!

I think you summed up the recommendations so far.

NOW, somebody is going to have to 'splain it to me how the hell a colder plug is going to cool the motor?!?!  Assuming it's not detonating to start with, it won't mean jack!

Every once in a while good ol' Donnie throws out a piece of misinformation like this that eliminates whatever small amount of respect for his opinions that I may have developed.  It's not hard to see why wives tales like this refuse to die, when you have supposed experts making blatantly wrong statements in national media.  I know I've tried to do my part in more than one thread around here to dispel the heat range myth (colder plugs makes the engine run colder), but I'm sure there are still a bunch of believers that will now start the argument again and quote Donnie Petersen as the infallible source.

For the record, a colder plug will not make the engine run cooler.  It will lead to more fouling of the plug, since keeping the electrodes at a lower temperature will not burn off deposits.  The heat range of a plug refers to the rate the plug dissipates heat through the shell and into the head to maintain a certain electrode temp, not to how much heat is produced by the combustion process.

What I would like to see Mr. Petersen explain is how H-D should have eliminated the problems in the stock design, not just tell us what we already know about defeating the emission system to richen the mixture and thus lower peak combustion temps.  Most of us already knew how to do that long before he started this CVO110 epic.  What he seems to be saying is exactly what I've been bitching about for years about H-D, if you want it to run well and hold up for any reasonable amount of time you will need to rebuild it yourself as soon as you buy it.  If the answer is always going to come back to defeating the emission system to make the POS run and last, Harley is going to have a severely restricted future when EPA stops looking the other way and really cracks down on tampering.  What happens when your state starts requiring a sniffer test to get your registration every year?  

What's the legal fix Donnie?  We could have told you the illegal fix two years ago (and in fact if you read this site on a regular basis we already did).

Jerry  

[scottt]

California is now considering a bill that would require all 2000 up motorcycles to be smog checked. The story was in the paper a couple of weeks ago

Scott

[Steve_G]

According to the articles by Donnie P. in AIM, the 110" HD engines need a total redesign. 
Lets see, we need new juggs, head work, gear drive cams, an extra quart oil pan, etc.
It sounds like those of us with SE 110" engines have purchased what will be known as Harley's Edsel.

[RayG]

What was supposed to be a 5 part series has suddenly become a 6 part series. I don't know much about about the subject matter so I had to reread everything a number of times and I have to agree that the members here had found a solution before he even allowed himself to recognise that their was a problem with the 110's just as was mentioned by the first few post. The talent that some of the members on this site have cannot be duplicated by Donnie or any monthly mag for that matter. While the so called experts are still deciding if their is a problem people on this site have already identified the problem, solved it and shared it with other members, lucky for some of us. I feel bad for the unfortunate people who have newer CVO'S and do not know this site exist. We need to spread the word brothers and sisters.

I feel fortunate that I have found a source that can cure any problem I may encounter, unlike my dealer who can't seem to fix things right the first time.

Thanks for sharing and caring

Ray G.

 

[JETCVO]

Ok, has anyone read Donny Petersen's Conclusion on CVO 110's in TECHLINE of AI?
For some reason all May Issues of the rag were sold out or something!
If so, is it worth posting?   

RonMilam

[skreminegul07]

What was supposed to be a 5 part series has suddenly become a 6 part series. I don't know much about about the subject matter so I had to reread everything a number of times and I have to agree that the members here had found a solution before he even allowed himself to recognise that their was a problem with the 110's just as was mentioned by the first few post. The talent that some of the members on this site have cannot be duplicated by Donnie or any monthly mag for that matter. While the so called experts are still deciding if their is a problem people on this site have already identified the problem, solved it and shared it with other members, lucky for some of us. I feel bad for the unfortunate people who have newer CVO'S and do not know this site exist. We need to spread the word brothers and sisters.

I feel fortunate that I have found a source that can cure any problem I may encounter, unlike my dealer who can't seem to fix things right the first time.

Thanks for sharing and caring

Ray G.

 

I'm working on the final chapter now, it's called "trade in". 

[FNGw/08SERK]

I'm working on the final chapter now, it's called "trade in". 

Hopin my final chapter will be closed around May 8th    Good luck Phil

[skreminegul07]

Well, the new issue is out, part VI.  All Donnie says is how to replace cylinders, gap rings etc.  He did mention that the original HD MLS gaskets cannot tolerate the heads warping due to heat and also that they cannot tolerate the liner moving.  He also believes the HD MLS gaskets are Cometic.  The picture on page 54 of the leaking gasket is ironically one of the non MLS gaskets I believe.

Mine is fixed.  I'm trading it in.   

[tennisman]

If its any concilation, my 08 SEUC was one of the first on the assembly line to receive the first modified head gaskets.  I'm now at 13K and no issues - I can only hope and rely on my 2 year warranty.
T-man