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[harleyguynv]

I have an 07 SEUC. I wrote about this a couple months ago. My rear cylinder base O ring was leaking again after the product 0905 enhancement recall. They replaced the cylinders, pistons and rings when they did the enhancement. HD wanted to replace the gaskets again and use a sealant with the new base O rings. I complained about using a sealant as a bandaid with customer service but they would not budge on this. I rode the bike while longer (about 3000 miles total since enhancement was done) and noticed it was using alot of oil. So, I took it into the dealer to get new O ring gaskets again (4th set total on this motor) and asked them to do a leakdown test because of oil consumption. The leakdown was ok but, when the pulled the rear cylinder they noticed the head gasket was starting to leak and there was oil in the front cylinder intake to the throttle body. (I hope I explained this right) They took alot of pictures for HD. HD decided to give me a new motor and have my old one shipped back to inspect it. Looks like they are doing the right thing for me. I have to say overall they have treated me pretty good.
Does anyone know if they give you any sort of warranty with a new engine? My warranty expires 4-09.

[16HD117]

I have an 07 SEUC. I wrote about this a couple months ago. My rear cylinder base O ring was leaking again after the product 0905 enhancement recall. They replaced the cylinders, pistons and rings when they did the enhancement. HD wanted to replace the gaskets again and use a sealant with the new base O rings. I complained about using a sealant as a bandaid with customer service but they would not budge on this. I rode the bike while longer (about 3000 miles total since enhancement was done) and noticed it was using alot of oil. So, I took it into the dealer to get new O ring gaskets again (4th set total on this motor) and asked them to do a leakdown test because of oil consumption. The leakdown was ok but, when the pulled the rear cylinder they noticed the head gasket was starting to leak and there was oil in the front cylinder intake to the throttle body. (I hope I explained this right) They took alot of pictures for HD. HD decided to give me a new motor and have my old one shipped back to inspect it. Looks like they are doing the right thing for me. I have to say overall they have treated me pretty good.
Does anyone know if they give you any sort of warranty with a new engine? My warranty expires 4-09.

Technically the new motor will only be covered until 4-09. 

But, I'm sure since the Mo Co is such a customer oriented company they would work with you if you had a problem with the new motor after warranty expires!
 

[DCC]

How much oil was it using?

[harleyguynv]

It was using 1 qt. of oil in 500 miles.

[DCC]

It was using 1 qt. of oil in 500 miles.

Wow...that's a bunch.  I've also had the 0905 campaign done and so far have put just over 4000 miles on her since.  No leaks, but I felt that oil consumption is a tad more now than before the 0905.  I just changed oil and it was 1 qt down in that 4000 mile run.  The oil change prior to that used less than 1/2 qt. with right at 5000 miles on it.

[oldharleyguy]

you guys got new Jugs and pistons on the recall too?   My dealer is saying reuse the jugs and pistons, just getting new heads and gaskets.   

[DCC]

you guys got new Jugs and pistons on the recall too?   My dealer is saying reuse the jugs and pistons, just getting new heads and gaskets.  

No new jugs.  New heads, ACRs, gaskets, Center Case Bolt.  The latest news I've heard is that now the 0905 is no longer replacing the heads.  Not sure what's up with that.

[oldharleyguy]

I had concerns with pulling the jugs and getting the rings reoriented so I bought new jugs and rings for the recall.  Having the jugs and heads out for diamond cutting as you read this.  Hope to get it all back from the Dealer by Christmas.

[harleyguynv]

The only reason I got cylinders, pistons and rings is because I had been complaining about a knocking sound between 2500-3300 rpms (kinda like the rods knocking in a car) since I bought the bike. I talked to the dealer about this sound and they rode the bike and agreed that it did not sound normal to them. They talked to HD about this and was told that the sound is considered normal. They say it is piston slap due to the pistons being short and not having much of a skirt. They said it will not affect the longevity of the engine. I called Customer Service about this noise and after alot of discussion they decided to give me new cylinders, pistons and rings. They let me know they only did this for customer satisfaction reasons. They also said that the noise would come back and I had to agree to accept it as normal, which I did. Well, I have to say the noise was gone and did not return. The bike ran great and the engine was fairly quiet and I had no oil carryover into the air cleaner which tells me I had a good ring seal. I was very disappointed when it started leaking again. I really did not want to take it back again because it was running so well and was quiet. It looks like it will all work out ok.

[jpb]

I had concerns with pulling the jugs and getting the rings reoriented so I bought new jugs and rings for the recall.  Having the jugs and heads out for diamond cutting as you read this.  Hope to get it all back from the Dealer by Christmas.

Now where in the world did you get that idea ??

Whaz up old harley guy!

jpb

[Deuce Bigelow]

I have a similar problem......

after the recall was done the first time, both cylinders were weeping from the cylinder base, and both head gaskets started to leak about 2 days later.
I picked the bike up on a friday and was about 2 blocks away when I looked down and saw the rear cylinder base weeping oil, the dealer asked if I wanted to leave it again, or drop it off on Monday morning. I didn't have a ride home so I took the bike home for the weekend (they were really nice and offered me a loaner bike for the weekend too!), I also wanted to see if I'd get lucky and the weeping might stop.
I rode the bike all weekend and by sunday afternoon not only was the rear cylinder still weeping oil at the base, but BOTH head gaskets were also leaking oil again!
brought it back on monday and showed them the leaks, they scratched their heads and took the bike back in for the second gasket replacement....
went back on Wednesday after they had finished and they were concerned about the front cylinder weeping oil at the base!
I mentioned that it was funny that the front cylinder was fine after the first gasket replacement and now it's leaking??? I got no real answer...

they test rode it for for 2 days and on Friday they decided to order a new front cylinder (at HD's advise), also found out that the mechanic decided to swap cylinders to see if the rear cylinder leak would follow to the front, THAT'S why the front cylinder was now leaking at the base!  ok, makes sense..

I also asked if swapping the clyinders would affect the seal of the piston rings, and they said "no" it wouldn't. (I don't believe that, but what do I know. I've only rebuilt a few small block engines and have been doing all of my own mechanical work for the last 30 years...lol)

I stopped by the dealership the following thursday to see how things are going and the bike is done, BUT....... front cylinder is STILL weeping oil!
they test rode it till friday afternoon and it slowed down allot but was still weeping.....I took the bike home and they asked me to keep an eye on it and let them know if it doesn't stop..
I asked them what is the next step if it doesn't stop weeping?  they said that they would probably order new cases next.....
Now, I'm no mechanic, but to swap cases requires a complete tear down of the engine?  right?

"If" I let them do that , what should definately be replaced when the motor is reassembled?
I mentioned that I thought HD should replace the motor instead of replace the cases... they didn't think HD would do that.
I know if the motor in my brand new car had an oil leak that a gasket replacement wouldn't fix, they wouldn't just replace the enging block?

that was the beginning of October and I haven't rode it as much as I wanted since then, but it's STILL weeping some oil from the front cylinder.
so I'm going to have to take it back.......

[Gecko]

Yep, they have that problem pretty much fixed.  No more concerns with 110 engines.

[oldharleyguy]

from you of course!   Anybody who redesigns and goes to the ultimate degree of perfection gets my attention!   Can't wait until Daytona to see how your bike really runs!

[hdhog1]

Harleyguynv,

  I guess I am a pessimist.  If it were my bike, I would bypass the dealer and talk to some Honcho in Wisconson about the warranty.  I would make sure they (MOCO) knew I was very pleased how attentive they were with rectifying my problems.  How wonderful I thought they were to replace the motor.  But remind them that all the while when  this work was being done, I had no ride.
  I think you deserve the warranty to cover all the down time at the very least.  It may be soft soaping, but if It gets you more time all the better.

  You sound like a real patient guy and that's great.  However, fair is fair and since you belong to this club (which I would also mention), you have many attentive ears as to how well or badly you get treated.  Only my opinion.

  I am only a lowly landscaper.  But you can bet my customers hold me to a very high standard, as well they should.  And I'm not talking about 35K customers either.  It's called REPEAT BUSINESS !!!!!!!!!  I am not the only landscaper.  HD is not the only motorcycle manufacturer.  Sorry     Randy 

[Admiral]

I have an 07 SEUC.
Does anyone know if they give you any sort of warranty with a new engine? My warranty expires 4-09.

If I was you I'd buy the extended warrantee.  Must do it at least 30 days before the other one expires.