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[CVOwner]

OK, Decided got the racetuner, got the SE AC kit, now pipes, I have the VAnce & Hines ovals slipons. I love the sound, hopefully it will get a little better when all is done. Now I need to get some input on the header pipes, Bassani, Vance & Hines has the dresser duals. This board is a wealth of knowledge so I need your help on this subject, I want to get it all done at once. I'll also talk to my tuner to get his input, want to do it right the first time around and be done with it. I'm not one to go changing this and that, want to get it right the first time, like my marriage! Help please.  [smiley=cool2.gif]

[GC_Super]

One thing to consider is that the true duals will make the bike much louder, as you're using both mufflers now, not just 1 and a quarter.  I had the Bassanni power curve thingy at one time with their mufflers and got lots of comments on how well they sounded, but at first to me they were very loud. It is something you get used to, but I'm leaning towards something a little quieter this time around. Easy to say now, but hard to actually do.

[Fatboy]

CVO,

For the best performance with your muffler choice, as well saving some money, just use the stock header pipes. For your current set up its the best way to go........... [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

[CVOwner]

CVO,

 For the best performance with your muffler choice, as well saving some money, just use the stock header pipes. For your current set up its the best way to go........... [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

Why do you say that? I'd like to get better performance if the true dual will do that for me. It has to be better performance wise to  use the true dual system?? NO?

[Kingsalmon]

I was also told by 2 different mechanics that the performance difference between the true dual style and the stock system is minimal at best.
If you want performance go with a 2:1 setup.
I was in your exact position  a couple of weeks ago. Stock system with V&H oval slipons.
I road like that for 10000 miles and wanted a change. My mechanic is a Thunder header guy and told me he thinks the V&H pro pipe is better these days since the the dad took over the business at thunderheader. I went with the V&H pro pipe. Bike is noticably faster and louder. The down side is some say it doesn't look as good from behind. THAT IS THE ONLY LOOK PEOPLE GET OF ME RIDING, FROM BEHIND [smiley=banana.gif]

[SAC]

Kingsalmon,
So you are sneaking in changes on the bike without telling your riding buddies, or is it that you've been gone for so long you don't remember the protocal ??

and by the way...  why did you use that  [smiley=banana.gif]
You could have used the  [smiley=jalapeno.gif] it looks better.

Wait unless that was that HD-Bling's  [smiley=banana.gif] and he's the one looking at you from behind.  
You guys usually don't have me leading for nothing !!!
[smiley=jalapeno.gif]
SAC

[Fatboy]

Why do you say that? I'd like to get better performance if the true dual will do that for me. It has to be better performance wise to

[CVOwner]

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 Now if you plan to build up your motor ie. cams, heads, pistons etc true duals can work fine. If not I'd stay with the stock header pipe, its not as pretty as true duals but it will out perform them on a basically stock 103.

 

Sounds good, do you have any idea what numbers HP/TQ I'd be looking at with Race tuner, ACKit, and VAnce & Hines ovals slipons? with the stock header setup compared to the true dual setup. I'm going to get it tuned by a good dyno man here in Phoenix, (Nick at custom performance) and I havent talked to him yet so I''m just trying to find the best way to go, I like the looks of the true duals, I liek the look of the Bassani power loop true duals to be exact,I wonder if the Bassani might be a little too loud for her. I have the money budgeted to do it so I thought what the hell, the bike has enough power for me now, I ride with my wife two up we do runs and weekend rides 200-300 miles up in the pines of Flagstaff and the grand canyon etc.

Thanks, for the input, just trying to pick as many brains as possible before I talk to the dyno tuner.

Mike

[JimsSEEG]

One difference about the Vance and Hines True Dual headers is the rear head pipe tucks in tighter around the side cover / floorboard bracker than the other manufacturers pipes. Might be a consideration for the passenger...

Jim

[Fatboy]

Sounds good, do you have any idea what numbers HP/TQ I'd be looking at with Race tuner, ACKit, and VAnce & Hines ovals slipons? with the stock header setup compared to the true dual setup. I'm going to get it tuned by a good dyno man here in Phoenix, (Nick at custom performance) and I havent talked to him yet so I''m just trying to find the best way to go, I like the looks of the true duals, I liek the look of the Bassani power loop true duals to be exact,I wonder if the Bassani might be a little too loud for her. I have the money budgeted to do it so I thought what the hell, the bike has enough power for me now, I ride with my wife two up we do runs and weekend rides 200-300 miles up in the pines of Flagstaff and the grand canyon etc.

Thanks, for the input, just trying to pick as many brains as possible before I talk to the dyno tuner.

Mike

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Peak numbers should be similiar with either exhaust system you mentioned high 80's/ low 90's hp and high 90's maybe hitting 100 tq. The torque curve is where you'll see the biggest difference as you'll be stronger in the lower rpm range (say 1800- 3200 rpm) which is where you probably ride most of the time. You'll want the most tq you get in that range.

[CVOwner]

One difference about the Vance and Hines True Dual headers is the rear head pipe tucks in tighter around the side cover / floorboard bracker than the other manufacturers pipes. Might be a consideration for the passenger...

Jim

Do you mean in closer so its a benefit? She doesnt have any problems now,dont want to add one.

[CVOwner]

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Peak numbers should be similiar with either exhaust system you mentioned high 80's/ low 90's hp and high 90's maybe hitting 100 tq. The torque curve is where you'll see the biggest difference as you'll be stronger in the lower rpm range (say 1800- 3200 rpm) which is where you probably ride most of the time. You'll want the most tq you get in that range.

I thought the true duals werent low end torque. Are you talking about the true duals here or the stock header configuration? [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

[CVOwner]

I guess all you get with the true dual setup is a louder bike? If thats the case I think I'll save my money for some other shiny object. Or for gas to go riding. [smiley=cool3.gif]

[grc]

I liek the look of the Bassani power loop true duals to be exact,I wonder if the Bassani might be a little too loud for her.

I thought the true duals werent low end torque. Are you talking about the true duals here or the stock header configuration? [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

Here's my 2 cents worth.  #1 - the local shops I've spoken with (3) all indicated that they have a much harder time tuning bikes with the Bassani system than they do with the Rinehardts.  #2 - The so-called "True Dual" systems tend to have a dip in the torque curve between 2000 and around 3500 rpm compared to the stock system or especially compared to a 2 into 1 system.  If you look at some of the dyno charts in the dyno thread, you will see what I'm talking about.  #3 - The real reason the Rinehardts are so popular is the sound and looks; even the gentleman they are named after will admit that a good 2 into 1 pipe will outperform them.  Remember, he came from Nascar where they do not use individual pipes for each cylinder, and those boys know how to make some serious torque and horsepower.

Jerry

[JimsSEEG]

Sorry, yes closer. COmpared to the Rhineharts (buddy has a set on his SE) mine tuck in almost an 3/4" closer in one spot and about a 1/2" in others. May not sound loke a lot, but shen you look at ehem, you can really tell the difference. On the Bassani, the "curve" hanging on the right side will place it in the same spot as the original x-over, so if your doing any of the dual head pipes to reduce heat, you won't with the Bassani.

Jim