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[clegg]

      Hello all. Time for me to pick some brains about my bike. I bought the bike from the original owner this fall. I now have a few questions about it that I feel sure the wealth of knowledge around here know the answers to.
     First off, the 2000 SE bikes had stock cams correct? They did not come with cams heads etc, correct? The original owner told me he had upgraded the cams, but did not remember what they were. The bike does feel and sound cam'd to me. (I am a mechanic by trade.) He was a guy who did all work at the dealer. That being the case, what is the likely suspect for cams that the dealer would have installed? If I pull the tops off would I be able to identify the cams via any markings or numbers?
     It drives me crazy not knowing what is there. How can I know I have the best program in my PC, etc!

[gremlush]

Its a heavy bike , so  S.E. 203 ? Ask the dealer ,they should have a record off it.

[clegg]

     I guess I could try that, but I did take a 2700 mile road trip to get this bike. I wonder if my dealer could pull up the records..

[timo482]

with a 2000 bike, se or not, id be VERY inclined to do the upgrade to the new plate, chain, pump, tensioners etc.

i had a 2000 and it crapped the cam bearings  the shoes were days away from failure when the bearings went 

- hd did the fix but there were shavings in every opening - filter, etc etc - i traded the bike off a few months after the fix rather than do the full rebuild i knew it needed.

andrews makes the full kit - and has the list of hd parts needed.

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[Unbalanced]

First thing you could try and do is pull the pipe and the cam plate cover.   Take a dental mirror and see if you can get a visual on the side of the lobes on the cam.   They should tell you what the cam number is such as 203,204,211,251,253,255,257,258,260,264 if they are harley.

While you are looking at the cam you can then also get a look at the cam shoes and see how worn they are.   Once you have this information you can then decide how to proceed from there.   in 2000 you had a M&M fuel injection system.  So do you have a SERT or do you have a Power Commander or other?

Besides knowing what cam is in there, is there any other goal to what your trying to do?

[Twolanerider]

Just took the stock cams out of my 2000 SERG recently.  They were 203s.

[Godeater]

Yep, 2000 and 2001 had 203 stock    Not much to brag about.

[clegg]

I was thinking that he would have put in 203's, but if it came with them then I still have to wonder. The bike has a Power Commander and a Vance & Hines pro pipe 2 into 1. I guess I am not really trying to accomplish anything other than to see if I can get a better map before I have in run on the dyno for final tuning. It is a bit rich now. The pipe runs hot and soots, and I get a bit of backfire off throttle.

     You guys are starting to worry me about the cam issue. How serious is this whole deal? Heck, the reason I had to Wait 8 years to get my dream bike was not because I was exactly rolling in cash here. The idea of spending a thousand bucks on a new gear drive cam setup is a nonstarter. Thanks for the input.

[BLM777]

I was thinking that he would have put in 203's, but if it came with them then I still have to wonder. The bike has a Power Commander and a Vance & Hines pro pipe 2 into 1. I guess I am not really trying to accomplish anything other than to see if I can get a better map before I have in run on the dyno for final tuning. It is a bit rich now. The pipe runs hot and soots, and I get a bit of backfire off throttle.

     You guys are starting to worry me about the cam issue. How serious is this whole deal? Heck, the reason I had to Wait 8 years to get my dream bike was not because I was exactly rolling in cash here. The idea of spending a thousand bucks on a new gear drive cam setup is a nonstarter. Thanks for the input.

I don't think the comments suggested that you had to change out for gear drives.  Most of us that have dealt with the cam shoes have, but I think it would be prudent to follow the advice of checking them so you know exactly what condition they are in.  IMHO, you can't really guesstimate by mileage as I've seen them throw craps anywhere between 1000 miles and one of our members reporting that they were still ok at 50k plus.  Take a look at them and if their bad, replace.  The alternative is often waiting for them to go and take out the whole motor.   Bottom line ..... quick check, replace if necessary and enjoy your new bike...

[Hoist!]

I was thinking that he would have put in 203's, but if it came with them then I still have to wonder. The bike has a Power Commander and a Vance & Hines pro pipe 2 into 1. I guess I am not really trying to accomplish anything other than to see if I can get a better map before I have in run on the dyno for final tuning. It is a bit rich now. The pipe runs hot and soots, and I get a bit of backfire off throttle.

     You guys are starting to worry me about the cam issue. How serious is this whole deal? Heck, the reason I had to Wait 8 years to get my dream bike was not because I was exactly rolling in cash here. The idea of spending a thousand bucks on a new gear drive cam setup is a nonstarter. Thanks for the input.

It's not the cam, it's the cam drive system that's a POS! Take these guys advice and look at converting to the current hydraulic system. That bike has a much better crank and crank bearing too than bikes made '03 and up. So you might wanna check you runout and go gear drive instead. On a 2000, I'll bet you runout's still fine!

Hoist!

[clegg]

OK, bearing in mind I am an auto mechanic and have done very little Harley work just send me a virtual slap if I ask a stupid question here. The stock setup then is a spring loaded tensioner with a shoe on it pressing against the cam chain? The idea is to check the shoes, and swap out the shoes and tensioner with a new unit that is hydraulic, and with any luck is a direct bolt in....And while I am at it I may be able to ascertain what cams I have. Heck, with real good luck....The original owner did that when he cam'd it.....RRRight. But am I at least barking up the right tree here? Next is the gear driven question. For the conversion are gear driven specific cams necessary, or can you put a kit on the existing cams, given your crank is straight? I spose this also requires a new cover...What kind of money at a minimum is a guy looking at for these 2 options, given I can read and comprehend the service manual and do it myself.

[Twolanerider]

OK, bearing in mind I am an auto mechanic and have done very little Harley work just send me a virtual slap if I ask a stupid question here. The stock setup then is a spring loaded tensioner with a shoe on it pressing against the cam chain? The idea is to check the shoes, and swap out the shoes and tensioner with a new unit that is hydraulic, and with any luck is a direct bolt in....And while I am at it I may be able to ascertain what cams I have. Heck, with real good luck....The original owner did that when he cam'd it.....RRRight. But am I at least barking up the right tree here? Next is the gear driven question. For the conversion are gear driven specific cams necessary, or can you put a kit on the existing cams, given your crank is straight? I spose this also requires a new cover...What kind of money at a minimum is a guy looking at for these 2 options, given I can read and comprehend the service manual and do it myself.

Entirely different cams if making the swap to gear drive.  Cams and a gear kit are needed.  Along with whatever else one might choose to do at that time (i.e., cam plate, oil pump, lifters, etc).  With the cam change you'll also need to pick up some adjustable pushrods and you'll change the inner cam bearings.

Don't remember if yours was a 2000 or 2001.  If 2000 another thing to consider is the potential for problem of the original inner cam bearings.  At least part of the 2000 production year included cam bearings that could be problematic.  Began with the first of the Twin Cams and continued in to the 2000 model year.  It's one of those "if you're not sure it's a good idea to change them" kind of things.

[Hoist!]

Entirely different cams if making the swap to gear drive.  Cams and a gear kit are needed.  Along with whatever else one might choose to do at that time (i.e., cam plate, oil pump, lifters, etc).  With the cam change you'll also need to pick up some adjustable pushrods and you'll change the inner cam bearings.

Don't remember if yours was a 2000 or 2001.  If 2000 another thing to consider is the potential for problem of the original inner cam bearings.  At least part of the 2000 production year included cam bearings that could be problematic.  Began with the first of the Twin Cams and continued in to the 2000 model year.  It's one of those "if you're not sure it's a good idea to change them" kind of things.

Don just describe the gear drive conversion. The hydraulic also requires new cams AND a new camplate, besides the new tensioner and drive sysyem. If runout's good, it'll be cheaper (and to me better) to go with the gear drive. Either way, replace the inner cam bearings with the Torrington bearings. A set of gear drive cams and gears is around 800 bucks. And new camplate's around 400 bucks. You might want to look at changing your oil pump for a Feuling OP too. Another 350 bucks! Don't forget new lifters and pushrods too. Around another 300 bucks!

Hoist!

[clegg]

Ouch, you guys are killin' me! Looks like for now I will have to just inspect and maybe replace my shoes. Then maybe work the gear drive angle. Thanks for all the quick input though, you've really set my mind at.. er.. ease.?
 

[Hoist!]

Ouch, you guys are killin' me! Looks like for now I will have to just inspect and maybe replace my shoes. Then maybe work the gear drive angle. Thanks for all the quick input though, you've really set my mind at.. er.. ease.?
 

No cheap solutions here clegg!

And BTW, I wanted to thank you for your service to this Great Nation, and for helping to preserve and protect my freedom! My sincerest thanks man!

Hoist!