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[Twolanerider]

Well...I guess that's the bottom line isnt it....do I trust my dealer?
I think...to be fair...dealerships are made up of many varied people and personalities...and as in life....those people are as diverse as anywhere else.
I guess it could be considered a leap of faith to allow the dealer's local paint guy to do any work. If the guys in the service dept. are confident and willing to back the work, then I cant see a problem with that!   

You've got yet another consideration beyond the norm to work with the dealer too.  You want them to be satisfied (enough) in the end product to take the bike in on trade.  That being so they have far less room to complain about the end results when the choices made to get there are theirs rather than yours.  More than anything that seems to alter the normal process here.

[tonysills]

Best wishes for a great surgery and speedy recovery.

We have a guy locally here that does great paint work and I wouldn't hesitate to have him repair any of my bikes if I couldn't get the replacement stuff.  If factory tins were available though I would go that way first if possible.

Just me though and not necessarily any better than a good painter.

The saga continues!

Was supposed to have surgery today, but it didnt happen due to infection in the foot...Doc says perhaps in a couple of days!

Saw the old bike yesterday, and it is actually in remarkable shape! Since I didnt fall over with it (maybe I shoud have), first glance is not bad. My thanx to the shop hound who took the time to ferret out the underlying problems! (i.e. a bent frame? OUCH! Hurts just to think about it!)   

I am leaning more toward a local paint repair, since I was NONE too impressed with the quality of the MOCO stock piant.
Had several instances of a DEEP rooted nick in the paint, going all the way to the metal! I have had several other non-CVO models of Harleys over the years, and never had paint that was so easy to flake away! Any one else notice this or had problems with their CVO paint?

[tonysills]

another update on the foot....FINALLY had surgery monday...has been HELL since. I don't reccomend it to ANYONE! 

Rods,Plates, and Screws...these are a few of the new things in my foot/leg!
I would post the x-rays, but this danged 'ol file on the CD doesn't cooperate with conventional knowledge! (my problem all along!)

Bike rebuild update: more info incoming, stay tuned!

Luv ya'll!!!

[bknerr]

best wishes for a speedy recovery. sucks to be down, sounds like a good excuse for a new bike.

[tonysills]

sounds like a good excuse for a new bike.

And I would jump at ANY possible excuse!!   

[tonysills]

Well, it looks to me that this has become the thread where I am the only one doing the talking ..So..I guess I wont let my one and only fan down, and give myself another update!!  (these valium and percosette may not necessarily keep the PYHSICAL pain at bay, but perhaps my MENTAL pain hasn't had a chance to react to the whole deal yet!

Feb 22nd Update
1a:...seems as tho the leg isnt turning gangrenous yet, albeit there is still plenty of pain to go around! I think the doc at least knew enough about what to do to keep the foot/lower leg attached so far     BOY DID THAT FIRST 36 HOURS AFTER SURGERY Hurt with the INADEQUATE pain killers! Again, the devil himself in terms of pain!!

1b ...on a separate note, seems the lawyer I contacted was full of depressing news,...pretty much saying the other guy doesnt appear (at first glance) to have any other insurance or assets to go after to cover ALL my medical bills. or LOSS OF PAY from work. I am not interested in going after someones source of food or survival, so I guess that's a dead end!
Any one else's thoughts about this?

2a:...the dealership has APPARENTLY had discussion with their local paint guy regarding repairing my Screamin Eagle paint on the aforementioned areas (front fender, front fairing, gas tank, and left saddlebag). Even after assuring me previously that their local guy was the WAY to go when it came to doing a superb job at repairing my custom factory CVO paint job, ....
it NOW appears they have decided NO WAY! The reason given was that there are some ares in the repair work that are MORE than just simple ONE color repair in a given area, and in fact their are several areas where the two-tone paint converge, AND.....at times....they converge at an area where there is pinstriping involved!  Pretty tricky for I guess just the run of the mill (or maybe even NOT so run of the mill) paint repair specialist would have an extreme hard time in making it work out to the dealers, and my satisfaction....!
I dont know what to think about this....ANYONE OUT THERE think this is legit? Anyone think it's NOT so legit? Comments requested!

3a:... I personally have the check from the insurance company for the repairs, not signed over to anyone yet. They say they have ordered the replacement painted parts from Harley, expected to arrive in AT LEAST 3 FRIGGIN MONTHS! I've been hearing stories of LONGER! They have also ordered all other parts on the repair list, including a new frame, and new cylinder jugs (due to cracked cooling fins), which as stated before, I am keeping an eye on, because the motor has previously had top end work, includung polished  and tuned valves, replaced lifters and pushrods, and woods bros. cam. I know it should'nt make any difference, but am I wrong thinking new jugs should mean new rings? ( I REALLY wish this motor could be tranferred over to my new 09. That would make me VERY happy!...

So. with all these items, what do you all think.... AM I CRAZY, or slightly justified...or is there something ELSE I need to consider?
PLEASE!!!!! WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?   

Thanx again to all for your thoughts and prayers...I felt this thread to be pretty unusual, cuz it's about a guy and his strange incident...surviving thru it all relatively unscathed (thatss not to say without TREMENDOUS amounts of pain), and just wanting to get opinions from everyone on what my next course of action,...or non action...should be.
I have decided at the very least I am going to treat myself by trading my old for a new ride, although it may not be the most financially sound thing to do! I did see yesterday that ALL taxes incurred durring the purchase of a new vehicle in 2009 will be deductible under Bahama's new stimulus deal, motorcycles included!!! 

And yes, I do at the moment have too much time to kill  while lying here inder the influence of countless wonderful painkillers!
But hey....what's my measly 44 posts compared to many of those with 10's of THOUSANDS of posts! I figure I will raise my number of postings while I can...cuz when this leg/foot heals in a couple months, I suspect there will be a proportunate moremiles on teh scott than posts on here!!...But you cant deny, this is a Fantastic site, with lots of good friends and lots of wisdom to tap from.... and I am gonna shut up now...too many valiums!!

I hope you all find my post more entertaining than annoying!
Thanks you all, and hope to see ya in Eureka in May(althought I dunno if I myself will be able to ride due to recovery/therapy....keeping my fingers crossed)

TONY:

[Unbalanced]

2a:...the dealership has APPARENTLY had discussion with their local paint guy regarding repairing my Screamin Eagle paint on the aforementioned areas (front fender, front fairing, gas tank, and left saddlebag). Even after assuring me previously that their local guy was the WAY to go when it came to doing a superb job at repairing my custom factory CVO paint job, ....
it NOW appears they have decided NO WAY! The reason given was that there are some ares in the repair work that are MORE than just simple ONE color repair in a given area, and in fact their are several areas where the two-tone paint converge, AND.....at times....they converge at an area where there is pinstriping involved!  Pretty tricky for I guess just the run of the mill (or maybe even NOT so run of the mill) paint repair specialist would have an extreme hard time in making it work out to the dealers, and my satisfaction....!
I dont know what to think about this....ANYONE OUT THERE think this is legit? Anyone think it's NOT so legit? Comments requested!

3a:... I personally have the check from the insurance company for the repairs, not signed over to anyone yet. They say they have ordered the replacement painted parts from Harley, expected to arrive in AT LEAST 3 FRIGGIN MONTHS! I've been hearing stories of LONGER! They have also ordered all other parts on the repair list, including a new frame, and new cylinder jugs (due to cracked cooling fins), which as stated before, I am keeping an eye on, because the motor has previously had top end work, includung polished  and tuned valves, replaced lifters and pushrods, and woods bros. cam. I know it should'nt make any difference, but am I wrong thinking new jugs should mean new rings? ( I REALLY wish this motor could be tranferred over to my new 09. That would make me VERY happy!...

So. with all these items, what do you all think.... AM I CRAZY, or slightly justified...or is there something ELSE I need to consider?
PLEASE!!!!! WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?   

Thanx again to all for your thoughts and prayers...I felt this thread to be pretty unusual, cuz it's about a guy and his strange incident...surviving thru it all relatively unscathed (thatss not to say without TREMENDOUS amounts of pain), and just wanting to get opinions from everyone on what my next course of action,...or non action...should be.
I have decided at the very least I am going to treat myself by trading my old for a new ride, although it may not be the most financially sound thing to do! I did see yesterday that ALL taxes incurred durring the purchase of a new vehicle in 2009 will be deductible under Bahama's new stimulus deal, motorcycles included!!! 

And yes, I do at the moment have too much time to kill  while lying here inder the influence of countless wonderful painkillers!
But hey....what's my measly 44 posts compared to many of those with 10's of THOUSANDS of posts! I figure I will raise my number of postings while I can...cuz when this leg/foot heals in a couple months, I suspect there will be a proportunate moremiles on teh scott than posts on here!!...But you cant deny, this is a Fantastic site, with lots of good friends and lots of wisdom to tap from.... and I am gonna shut up now...too many valiums!!

I hope you all find my post more entertaining than annoying!
Thanks you all, and hope to see ya in Eureka in May(althought I dunno if I myself will be able to ride due to recovery/therapy....keeping my fingers crossed)

TONY:

Tony,

First the paint, on my original Cherry the bag took 6 weeks to come in, on my new 09 the inner fairing has some dust under the paint and was ordered and in in under 3 weeks.   Friends had some paint that needed to be replaced on their SE Fatboy and it took 18 weeks for the fender.   I believe it just goes back to them painting these parts in runs as needed.   Once heard that they wait till they have 5 pieces to do to make it worth while.    I would not want someone trying to match paint especially where candies are concerned it is tough enough to match flat colors with age forget layered paints with metal flake and candies and pin stripping.   I think the dealership did you a favor and did the right thing by ordering new.   Just keep an eye out for finger marks as the paint stays on the bike there were a number of paint sets found to have finger marks under them if you looked in the right light.

As far as the motor is concerned, yes new rings with new cylinders would not accept it any other way.    As far as tuned valves you got me there maybe the percocets adding their own color to the story.   If the heads were unscathed and you put the motor back as it was with just replacing the lifter boxes, and the tubes and the cylinders all should be ok.   One thing I would caution is to make sure the cylinders are round and equal before they go on, not just slapped on out of the box.  

Make sure they aren't changing your title to salvage, and a new frame is great you may want to go over it to assure that they did a good job on the welds and the powdercoating.   This is also a good time if you wanted to run any lights, oil pressure gauge etc as it could be done easily now.   If they are separating the motor from the trans to install it into the new frame this is also a great time if you do not already have it for a chrome primary or chrome starter or a 6 speed or a gearing change to say 337 from 315.   Just thoughts to ponder with the valium, anti inflammatories and pain meds.  

So back to the Tuned valves.....  Did you have headwork done and multi angle valve job?  

Do you have uninsured motorist coverage?   If so can you attach any part of that since the other guy is under insured than your damages?  

Glad your recovering and hopefully we can get your post count up too.

[erniezap]

Hope that you recover completely and do it soon!  As for painted parts, I've been waiting since the last half of October for painted parts for my 04 Pumpkin!

[greglyon]

Well, that's a very good question...Timing this ballet with the dealer/insurance co/MOCO is CERTAINLY foremost in my head!
The point man at the dealer, Cody, is the one who inspected the bike and wrote up the estimate. He has included some things that I am surprised to see on the list, but am certainly very grateful!!   For example, Cody has included some repainting of my front fender, front fairing, gas tank, and left saddlebag. He says that if I send it off to Harley it could take up to 3 months!
He also mentioned another posibillity, of sending it to a local painter guy, whom HE says would do a great job of fixing. My first thoughts were, what about fading, matching of new to the rest of the bike that would not be redone? Cody says that is not an issue with the clear coats that Harley uses. I dont know what to think about that...but then again, I am just gonna trade it in...how much should I really care?
Estimate was for over 11k to fix the bike, including some broken cooling fins on BOTH cylinders. my concern now becomes...the top end work I had done to the motor when i bought it..(valves polished tuned and ported, new lifters, cam)...probably wont have any effect on that! But I wanted him to be aware of it anyway!
 
What do you all think about all this...should I just let nature take it's course on the rebuild? Think I should let the local paint guy do the repair, so I can be sure to get the bike done in time for the arrival of my new ride?
Just airing my thoughts here....looking for your thoughts!!

Meanwhile...I am headed to Surgery on Friday morning to get all the bones in my leg and foot lined up finally!! I am READY to get the clock started on the recovery plan...I got some riding to do for the GTG in Eureka this May...for Crying Out Loud!!

if it's not too late get it totaled and start over.  tweaked frame some other hidden damage and the bike will be 75% damaged which is about all you need to total it.  Good luck on all fronts

[spydglide]

Hey Tony, I'm just now catching up to this thread and your accident/recovery.  Sorry I've missed it until now.  Glad you're finally on the mend after having your leg fixed.  I know the frustrations of getting the bike fixed will all have to take a back seat to your personal healing, so you're doing the best thing to bounce the decisions off of this group......lots of great folks here with mucho experience in all areas to assist.  Unbalanced just gave you some great advice....and I too agree that waiting for the factory tins/paint is probably gonna work out best for you.  Twolane's right about the dealership having 'skin in the game' if they're the ones you are going to trade the repaired bike with......wouldn't think they'd want to patch something up wrong that would come back in their lap.  Keep us informed on your progress and the bike's also.  spyder

[tonysills]

if it's not too late get it totaled and start over.  tweaked frame some other hidden damage and the bike will be 75% damaged which is about all you need to total it.  Good luck on all fronts

I would like to know how to accomplish this, since a replacement frame is already included on the repair list,and has already been ordered, according to Cory (the insurance appraisal dude employed by the dealer) down at the dealership! In fact, Cory mentioned that he already had to put the screws to the adjuster as it was, to get him to see things his way on the expense list. I Do think Cory has been working things in my favor by far, So I figure He knows the best thing going for this situation.
  In fact, I already have the insurance check in my possesion, with both mine and the dealerships name on it. At this point it would take an additional 6k to reach that magical 75% mark. I sure wish I was more mobil, so I could spend more time down at the shop hangin and harrasing, as the case may be), with Cory.

What do ya think i could do? 

Just laying here at 4am, sleepy as heck, with a sore leg/foot, and my mind racing!    Trying to come up with a cocktail that will help me sleep! Dang this sucks, but there MUST be a greater plan somewhere waiting to reveal itself! It always does, just not necessarily on my terms..

Ya'll have a good nites rest now!! 

[spydglide]

Hang in there buddy......it'll all be good once you heal and the scooter is all new/or you trade for a new one and you're in the wind agin.  Just try and think what that'll feel like and maybe you can drift off to sleep.    spyder

[RickC]

I would like to know how to accomplish this, since a replacement frame is already included on the repair list,and has already been ordered, according to Cory (the insurance appraisal dude employed by the dealer) down at the dealership! In fact, Cory mentioned that he already had to put the screws to the adjuster as it was, to get him to see things his way on the expense list. I Do think Cory has been working things in my favor by far, So I figure He knows the best thing going for this situation.
  In fact, I already have the insurance check in my possesion, with both mine and the dealerships name on it. At this point it would take an additional 6k to reach that magical 75% mark. I sure wish I was more mobil, so I could spend more time down at the shop hangin and harrasing, as the case may be), with Cory.

What do ya think i could do?

Tony, don't sweat this whole thing, man. Concentrate on getting yourself healed and back in working order. Sounds like the scoot is on it's way.

Here's my thoughts on the whole thing. If you have a check from your insurance company and parts are on order, fix the bike. I understand you are planning to trade it in on a new SE bike anyway, so just let the whole repair process run it's course.

The point is that fighting your insurance company to get the bike totalled is going to take a lot of time and energy that you could use to let your body heal, do PT, get well... whatever that takes. Besides, you're not likely to win on this argument with your insurance company. You could just wind up delaying the repairs and then missing the opportunity to trade when the new scooter comes in.

So, dont worry yourself too much. It's more likely to slow your recovery and jeopardize your bike deal than just letting things lie.

In short, take spydglide's advice. You'll be glad you did...

[greglyon]

I would like to know how to accomplish this, since a replacement frame is already included on the repair list,and has already been ordered, according to Cory (the insurance appraisal dude employed by the dealer) down at the dealership! In fact, Cory mentioned that he already had to put the screws to the adjuster as it was, to get him to see things his way on the expense list. I Do think Cory has been working things in my favor by far, So I figure He knows the best thing going for this situation.
  In fact, I already have the insurance check in my possesion, with both mine and the dealerships name on it. At this point it would take an additional 6k to reach that magical 75% mark. I sure wish I was more mobil, so I could spend more time down at the shop hangin and harrasing, as the case may be), with Cory.

What do ya think i could do? 

Just laying here at 4am, sleepy as heck, with a sore leg/foot, and my mind racing!    Trying to come up with a cocktail that will help me sleep! Dang this sucks, but there MUST be a greater plan somewhere waiting to reveal itself! It always does, just not necessarily on my terms..

Ya'll have a good nites rest now!! 

If the insurance settlement is from the at fault driver's policy, you may also be able to make a claim for diminished resale value.  Another wards your bike will be worth less than a bike not in an accident to a prospective buyer.  It will only be after you discount the bike for sale to take the wreck into account will you be able to sell it.  The net value after discount is called the  diminished resale value.  Assuming your jurisdiction recognizes that component of damages like we do in Arizona, tell the adjuster you want that paid as well.  That may very well get you over the 75% assuming you are not too far down the road.  If you have additional questions, PM me 

[tonysills]

Well folks, Just wanted to make a comment for the first time while NOT under the influence of narcotics!!

I have allowed some time to pass, so I could get some of my clear thinking head back. Apparently, most of my posts were
made while groggy, but I think I managed to get my concerns across. Albeit in a rambling sort of way!

Sorry about that folks.

But I have certainly got some great responses, and am very grateful!! 

I will let the dealer repair the bike as they see fit, since they will ultimately be selling it when I trade it in!!!
The new SEUC Ruby is due first week in May, which may present a problem.
I may JUST be getting rid of my cast about that time, and may have some therapy yet to do. So I may not get to ride it home when it comes in. 

Wait a minute....One thing I have learned thru all this....whatever happens, happens. I'll deal with it as it comes!!
Man I wish it would come soon!!!

Thanx all, and hope to see you at the GTG in Eureka Springs...MID-MAY