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New layoffs this week, when will it end?
« on: January 26, 2009, 05:24:43 PM »



Here lately I just hate to watch the news.

More lays offs.

Home Depot           7000 jobs lost

Sprint/Nextel         8000 jobs lost

Pfizer                   8000 jobs lost

Caterpillar              20,000 jobs gone!

And that is just today.
When will it end?

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Re: New layoffs this week, when will it end?
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2009, 05:40:38 PM »

Yeah, buddy...I hate to see this too.  Unfortunately it will probably get worse before it gets better.   

Hopefully this won't affect too many CVO members as the country works through this recession. :-\




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Re: New layoffs this week, when will it end?
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2009, 05:45:39 PM »

Not a good start to the year  :confused5:
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Re: New layoffs this week, when will it end?
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2009, 06:18:43 PM »

Not a good start to the year  :confused5:

And missing from this list are GM, Ford, Chrysler and all of the supplier plants associated with the auto industry...  All high paying jobs with little hope of replacing the income level...   :(
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Re: New layoffs this week, when will it end?
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2009, 07:36:32 PM »

Yeah, buddy...I hate to see this too.  Unfortunately it will probably get worse before it gets better.   

Hopefully this won't affect too many CVO members as the country works through this recession. :-\






I think you meant to say DEPRESSION!!!!!! I heard it last week from a UM Professor. I believe it but the Government will never tell you this!!!!!

They are saying we may not bottom out till sometime next year!

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Re: New layoffs this week, when will it end?
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2009, 07:48:48 PM »

I think you meant to say DEPRESSION!!!!!! I heard it last week from a UM Professor. I believe it but the Government will never tell you this!!!!!

They are saying we may not bottom out till sometime next year!

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Last half of next year may be even worse all on its own Mike.  It's economics on a scale larger than I was ever trained to fathom.  But sat through a video conference a couple weeks ago the thrust of which that we're about 18 months away from another (bad) bubble in the mortgage markets.  This one based on the next round of ARM loans coming due.  An even bigger bubble than the last one that just finished collapsing.  With statistical projections for even greater failures than what we've been seeing recently. 

It was explained as the reason that much of the "bail out" money has been hoarded rather than used.  Banks keeping their powder dry for that next cycle that many apparently believe will be even worse than the recent one.
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Re: New layoffs this week, when will it end?
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2009, 07:59:52 PM »

Don that just scares the chit out of me. The one thing I have going for me is my Government JOB with 27 years of service I am safe. My house is almost paid for and I am trying to close down my business, but the damn phone keeps ringing. I was going to retire last year and my boss sweetened the pot. He really looks out for me. So I can say I am glad I have not left yet and I know I can still make it 3 to 5 years if my health holds up.

Now on the down note I feel sorry for the people that used the ARM to buy the over inflated priced  house. They stand to lose EVERYTHING! It is a shame the Government let this happen. I am not even going to point the finger at who is to blame. I just hate to see it happen.

Good luck to all.

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Re: New layoffs this week, when will it end?
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2009, 08:10:29 PM »

If you are smart you will cash out and move to Panama.  Unfortunately I can't do it due to family obligations, ie wife says hell no!  In a few years you will not want to live here.  And this comes from someone who wears the flag on his lapel everyday. 
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Re: New layoffs this week, when will it end?
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2009, 08:36:33 AM »

I think you meant to say DEPRESSION!!!!!! I heard it last week from a UM Professor. I believe it but the Government will never tell you this!!!!!

They are saying we may not bottom out till sometime next year!

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You're right.  The gov't was the last to know (or admit) that we were in a recession and now they have their head in the sand about a depression.

It's a sad situation now but I think it's going to get worse.  And I can't imagine that it hasn't affected just about everybody here in some way or another.
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Re: New layoffs this week, when will it end?
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2009, 08:52:59 AM »

I think we are headed toward worse time before it gets better.
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Re: New layoffs this week, when will it end?
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2009, 08:55:52 AM »

It is very bad and from what it looks like will get much worse for some time.......how long is anyones best guess as it seems no one really has a good idea.  Lots of finger pointing as to blame between govt. and private sector, but bottom line is that we all created this bubble that had to burst, didn't it?  Seems to be global as well, and look at how long Japan has been in a recession since there bubble burst.  Just got to hunker down and survive.  Not many of us have experience with this kind of thing but playing the blame game at this point won't really accomplish much.  :( JMHO.  spyder
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Re: New layoffs this week, when will it end?
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2009, 09:21:14 AM »

Last half of next year may be even worse all on its own Mike.  It's economics on a scale larger than I was ever trained to fathom.  But sat through a video conference a couple weeks ago the thrust of which that we're about 18 months away from another (bad) bubble in the mortgage markets.  This one based on the next round of ARM loans coming due.  An even bigger bubble than the last one that just finished collapsing.  With statistical projections for even greater failures than what we've been seeing recently. 

It was explained as the reason that much of the "bail out" money has been hoarded rather than used.  Banks keeping their powder dry for that next cycle that many apparently believe will be even worse than the recent one.

Yes, we have just seen the proverbial tip of the iceberg.  The explanation I saw indicated that we have already seen the peak of the first wave of major mortgage defaults that were primarily from the subprime market.  The second wave that hasn't reached us yet is involved more with those who hocked their futures in a greedy attempt to get wealthy using cheap loans, as in buying condo's being built in Miami as "investments".  These aren't the poor folks involved in the first wave, these are for the most part upper middle class and above "speculators".  From the small amount of data I've seen, this second wave could be bigger and wider than the first.

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Re: New layoffs this week, when will it end?
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2009, 10:02:52 AM »

Yes, we have just seen the proverbial tip of the iceberg.  The explanation I saw indicated that we have already seen the peak of the first wave of major mortgage defaults that were primarily from the subprime market.  The second wave that hasn't reached us yet is involved more with those who hocked their futures in a greedy attempt to get wealthy using cheap loans, as in buying condo's being built in Miami as "investments".  These aren't the poor folks involved in the first wave, these are for the most part upper middle class and above "speculators".  From the small amount of data I've seen, this second wave could be bigger and wider than the first.

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Jerry, as you and Don have stated, the second wave of ARM mortgages are to be in full swing by September 2009. These were loans that were made at the end for 2007. Low interest loans that people got thinking they would only live in their current house for two to three years and then sell for a profit. Well when these balloons become due, people who are now struggling to make the payments will not be able to afford the increased payment. The banks are typically allowing people to stay in their homes for 3-4 months which is why forecasters are  predicting the beginning of 2010 before any "relief" is seen.
I spoke to a real estate broker yesterday that told me housing values in my area have fallen 20% in the last year and to expect another 20% in 2009.

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Re: New layoffs this week, when will it end?
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2009, 10:27:45 AM »

Palm Beach Post fish wrapper is reporting homes sales up but prices flat...considered good news locally...
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Re: New layoffs this week, when will it end?
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2009, 12:34:36 PM »

Jerry, as you and Don have stated, the second wave of ARM mortgages are to be in full swing by September 2009. These were loans that were made at the end for 2007. Low interest loans that people got thinking they would only live in their current house for two to three years and then sell for a profit. Well when these balloons become due, people who are now struggling to make the payments will not be able to afford the increased payment. The banks are typically allowing people to stay in their homes for 3-4 months which is why forecasters are  predicting the beginning of 2010 before any "relief" is seen.
I spoke to a real estate broker yesterday that told me housing values in my area have fallen 20% in the last year and to expect another 20% in 2009.

I believe there will be yet another wave, beyond the regular ARM mortgages that nobody seems to bring up anywhere.  There was another form of ARM, which went by several names such as Option ARM or Flex ARM.  Those mortgages gave usually 4 payment options each month:  a minimum payment amount less than even interest only, interest only, payment based on a 15 yr payment, or payment based on a 30 yr payment.  Those taking this type of mortgage were lured in by the very low minimum payments and the difference between what they paid and the interest only payment is tacked on to the principal each month.  You were able to buy a lot of house with a very low payment, however those mortgages reset  or recast as they call it, after 5 years.  Those people have principal balances that have continued to grow while the values of their homes have dropped and they have not put any dent in principal at all.  They are called negative amortization loans, whereas very simply, the principal grows instead of declines.  There were a tremendous number of these loans done, and the majority were sold to the "sophisticated investors", which to me translates to people that thought they found a way to buck the system and buy a "McMansion".  Those loans were typically of higher value than the normal loan, and hence there are billions of dollars out there on these loans that are also going to be heading into default probably between 2010 and 2012 by my calculations.  I knew some people in the business that virtually sold nothing but this type of loan, since they were such an easy sale.  I haven't heard nor seen any mention of these loans out there and I have a very bad feeling that in a few years we will be seeing more about those in the news also.  Just one more obstacle to completely clean up the housing market and extend the period for complete stabilization or some reasonable facsimile.
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