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[gremlush]

How many people have checked there crank and it was .001 - .002  and then down the road 5,000+ miles , the wheels 'shifted'. I know there were some bad run-outs ,but I think that happened at the factory , failed inspections,etc.  Anybody eating 'lefty' bearings on the 110" ?

[sadunbar]

How many people have checked there crank and it was .001 - .002  and then down the road 5,000+ miles , the wheels 'shifted'. I know there were some bad run-outs ,but I think that happened at the factory , failed inspections,etc.  Anybody eating 'lefty' bearings on the 110" ?

I have checked my runout three times now...  It was .0018 each time...  No idea if it will stay there or not...  But, so far, so good...   

[gremlush]

Sounds good  .0018 is good ,less than 2 thousands for you 'ham and eggers' . Mine was .0012 , anyway , lots of talk about wheels shifting,etc and eating bearing ,BUT, would like to hear the full story.  The crank shaft and wheels were NOT assembled 'true' at the factory , YES, I understand that and hopefully H-D has gotten that straight { no pun inteaned} but has anyboby had the shaft go out of true when it was straight to begin with ? Dewey  ps. I am not a very smart man ,BUT, have smart freinds.

[F U B]

Don't know know the exact numbers but was told (and shown parts) by dealer the result of big time "wheel shift" crank run out on my 07 SEUC with just over 20,000 only rode easy on Sunday miles. oil pump gears in several pieces, Cam Adjusters worn beyond recognition,bearings and other broke stuff in the top end. MOCO wants all the parts returned, Guess they don't think a problem exists. Due to the sudden lack of oil pressure I am basically getting a new motor piece by piece (Harley won't replace complete engine). IT'S ALL GOOD!! :drink

[Hoist!]

Don't know know the exact numbers but was told (and shown parts) by dealer the result of big time "wheel shift" crank run out on my 07 SEUC with just over 20,000 only rode easy on Sunday miles. oil pump gears in several pieces, Cam Adjusters worn beyond recognition,bearings and other broke stuff in the top end. MOCO wants all the parts returned, Guess they don't think a problem exists. Due to the sudden lack of oil pressure I am basically getting a new motor piece by piece (Harley won't replace complete engine). IT'S ALL GOOD!! :drink

Something WAY WRONG if you can't get a new motor after that happened. Sounds like BS to me! I'd be fighting for one if it were me! Ya'll KNOW that!!! I'd go back and demand a new engine and fight for it!!! That's really BS!!! STF!!! STD!!!

And BTW F U B, Beyond what?

Hoist!

[Twolanerider]

Have to love the old ones.  The 2000 SERG measured .0005 on one side and .001 on the other when the gear drive went in a couple months ago.  Engine with about 22,000 miles.  The 05 SEEG was .001 and .001.  The SEEG got checked a second time about 12,500 miles after the gear drive had first gone in.  Measured the same as it had to begin with.

[gremlush]

I agree ,DEMAND a NEW MOTOR , PERIOD !!!! End of the story.  Now ,about wheel 'shift' , did they shift OR were they not aligned from the factory when they put the motor together ? Has ANYBOBY had .001 and then LATER , had crank run-out. ANYBOBY ? What about 'eating' left bearings when you had .001 shaft run-out. YES , I have seen and heard of NEW motors that had .010+ run-out and that WILL EAT MOTORS .  I was an aerospace machinist for many years and had to hold .0002 tolerance ,day in day out , BUT, in that biz , the parts are check {inspected} many times { 3-5} before they are shipped. ps. what is thicker ,red pub or black pub ,or blonde ? I know ,do you ? LOL

[Hoist!]

I agree ,DEMAND a NEW MOTOR , PERIOD !!!! End of the story.  Now ,about wheel 'shift' , did they shift OR were they not aligned from the factory when they put the motor together ? Has ANYBOBY had .001 and then LATER , had crank run-out. ANYBOBY ? What about 'eating' left bearings when you had .001 shaft run-out. YES , I have seen and heard of NEW motors that had .010+ run-out and that WILL EAT MOTORS .  I was an aerospace machinist for many years and had to hold .0002 tolerance ,day in day out , BUT, in that biz , the parts are check {inspected} many times { 3-5} before they are shipped. ps. what is thicker ,red pub or black pub ,or blonde ? I know ,do you ? LOL

And they ain't cheap Chinese junk parts either, are they Dewey?!

I guess BLACK!!!

Hoist!

[grc]

It's unlikely that you will get many, if any, responses to the original question since there aren't many folks who take their brand new scoot and have the crank runout checked.  Based on some of the stories I've read however, I would have to say that there were more than just a few early '07's that shifted in use.  The reason I say that is related to the fact that the engines had run for several hundred or even several thousand miles before the crank shifted to the point of contacting other parts like the crank position sensor or binding up and breaking the oil pump.  Runout that severe wouldn't have allowed the engine to survive as long as those did before they failed.

I still believe that the issue was related to lousy machining of the crank pins or the flywheels such that the press fit wasn't as tight as normal.  When added to the increased loads the new '07 primary system (outboard location and ratio change) created, the press fit failed/slipped.  Consider another failure on the 110's also related to p-poor machining, the valve guides that "dropped" once the rear head got nice and hot.  A proper press fit on those wouldn't have failed, even at the elevated temps of the current engines.  Whoever H-D has doing their current casting and machining is obviously quality impaired.  That's what happens when cost cutting at all costs becomes the corporate policy.

Jerry

[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

We have had customers check them as they wanted upgrades  maybe gear drive or not based on runout.  We re check them at a later date and find same spec. Now we have done kits with cranks in good shape to have them fail later. Just checked a 09 last week. Pinion side was .0049 with 6200 miles on it.  An 08 with just over 9000 miles at .008 pinion and .010 sprocket. Bike had issues with vibration from new dealer kept putting the customer off.

[djkak]

And they ain't cheap Chinese junk parts either, are they Dewey?!

Hoist!

Here all this time I thought that you were referring to the country of origin, but I it dawned on me that New Yorker’s speak, and apparently write with an accent. Of course you don’t mean Chinese; you are referring to a medical condition called Shy Knees. My Cousin had Shy Knees, and every time he would go outside with short pants, the skin around his knees would turn red and become irritated. His Doctor recommended an OTC lotion which works pretty good! Shy Knees shouldn’t be confused with Toelio and Smallcox which are personal problems.

[skyhook]

i agree with grc, and believe there was a bad run of cranks on the '07's and an unknown percentage of bikes was affected...of course the 96 and cvo 110 have the same crank assembly and there have been some 96/103's affected and a higher incidence in cvo 110s, prolly due to their increased torque/heat/etc...and then when we consider whether it was abused/lugged/etc...

[Hoist!]

Here all this time I thought that you were referring to the country of origin, but I it dawned on me that New Yorker’s speak, and apparently write with an accent. Of course you don’t mean Chinese; you are referring to a medical condition called Shy Knees. My Cousin had Shy Knees, and every time he would go outside with short pants, the skin around his knees would turn red and become irritated. His Doctor recommended an OTC lotion which works pretty good! Shy Knees shouldn’t be confused with Toelio and Smallcox which are personal problems.

HeHe!!! WooHoo!!! Someone gets it!!! Way to go dj!!! And I don't live in Flushing, I live in Fru-Ching!!!

Hoist!

[bikerboy53]

My '07 had serious vibration issues from the day I brought it home so I had the crank runout checked after about a year of the dealer putting me off. It's been awhile, but I think that crank had .020" of runout and the bike had 10,000 miles on it. They put a new crank in under warranty over a year ago. Runout was .001" or so on the new crank. Now the bike has 20,000 miles -10,000 on the new crank, and the runout is about .018". 

Has the MoCo improved the way they make the crankshafts, or am I going to need another one in another 10K miles? I'm thinking of having this latest one welded and balanced before installing it, but I'm a little nervous about whether they can get it done without affecting the runout... I've also thought about the welded S&S crank like Hoist used, but I don't see it in their catalog.  Not sure how he got it, or how much they run. Either way -I'm definitely putting in a Timken bearing!! 

While we're at it -my rear cylinder has shifted (again). Has the MoCo fixed that problem or should I consider Axtells or something?

The dealer says they'll give me a 1 year warranty on the motor if I use all HD parts. Otherwise they will only give me whatever the aftermarket parts manufacturer gives... It's tough to know which way to go because the aftermarket parts will cost a lot more initially, but may save headaches in the long run?

[skreminegul07]

My '07 had serious vibration issues from the day I brought it home so I had the crank runout checked after about a year of the dealer putting me off. It's been awhile, but I think that crank had .020" of runout and the bike had 10,000 miles on it. They put a new crank in under warranty over a year ago. Runout was .001" or so on the new crank. Now the bike has 20,000 miles -10,000 on the new crank, and the runout is about .018". 

Has the MoCo improved the way they make the crankshafts, or am I going to need another one in another 10K miles? I'm thinking of having this latest one welded and balanced before installing it, but I'm a little nervous about whether they can get it done without affecting the runout... I've also thought about the welded S&S crank like Hoist used, but I don't see it in their catalog.  Not sure how he got it, or how much they run. Either way -I'm definitely putting in a Timken bearing!! 

While we're at it -my rear cylinder has shifted (again). Has the MoCo fixed that problem or should I consider Axtells or something?

The dealer says they'll give me a 1 year warranty on the motor if I use all HD parts. Otherwise they will only give me whatever the aftermarket parts manufacturer gives... It's tough to know which way to go because the aftermarket parts will cost a lot more initially, but may save headaches in the long run?

Have you had the Product Improvement Program done?  You'll get new gaskets and new heads.