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[Tetsariver]

First time on here.... Does anyone know what we can actually do that will not affect the warranty. I have been getting mixed opinions from the dealers and need a straight answer. Can we put a free flow air intake and slip on mufflers, redo the heads,or add a better EFI controller. We all know that there is possibly a few issues with the 110's and I would hate to have a problem and no warraty. I have had no trouble so far and have just had the recall completed but yet to try it out. I have a buddy that has a 2007 CVO Ultra and he had all the trouble....and more than once.

[RedDevil]

First time on here.... Does anyone know what we can actually do that will not affect the warranty. I have been getting mixed opinions from the dealers and need a straight answer. Can we put a free flow air intake and slip on mufflers, redo the heads,or add a better EFI controller. We all know that there is possibly a few issues with the 110's and I would hate to have a problem and no warraty. I have had no trouble so far and have just had the recall completed but yet to try it out. I have a buddy that has a 2007 CVO Ultra and he had all the trouble....and more than once.

Welcome to the site.  You may want to go here, New Member Introduction and introduce yourself. 

Technically, about the only thing you might be able to get away with would be to just put different slippon mufflers.  If you put an aftermarket EFI controller on and are concerned about warranty, don't put a SERT on as that actually rewrites the ECM and leaves its "signature" that the Digital Technician (DT) will see when it's plugged in at the dealer.  Anything internal to the engine will more than likely void the warranty in all cases (New head, cams, etc.), unless they are street legal parts.  That's how HD gets you, they label the box "for off-road or racing use only".  Remember though, the burden lies on the dealer and the MoCo to prove that any modification you did to the engine caused the failure that you're trying to have fixed under warranty.  Obviously, if you replace the heads on your engine and your radio craps out, they'll fix that under warranty.   

   

[REGGAB]

First time on here.... Does anyone know what we can actually do that will not affect the warranty. I have been getting mixed opinions from the dealers and need a straight answer. Can we put a free flow air intake and slip on mufflers, redo the heads,or add a better EFI controller. We all know that there is possibly a few issues with the 110's and I would hate to have a problem and no warraty. I have had no trouble so far and have just had the recall completed but yet to try it out. I have a buddy that has a 2007 CVO Ultra and he had all the trouble....and more than once.

JMHO, but if I owned a 110cid bike, and still had a warranty, I'd forget about the engine portion of the warranty, make the engine right, and become my own warranty department as far as the engine in concerned.  Problem there is, H-D will likely try to say engine performance mods caused transmission troubles, and ECM remap caused electrical troubles, etc.
It's a crapshoot either way, so I'd have to go down the road of making the bike what I want it to be, and toss the warranty.  That's what I did.........but not everyone feels that way.  I just want a bike that works and is reliable.  Not sure that can be had with a stock 110cid.

[planenut]

you can't even wash it  without h-d soap, with the right service mngr everthing is out of warrenty or thay also might say it's not there problem    

[guppytrash]

you can't even wash it  without h-d soap, with the right service mngr everthing is out of warrenty or thay also might say it's not there problem    

The Sales manager at the dealer I bought my 08 ultra at was so worried about telling me about voiding my warranty he lost my business. 
He seems much more concerned about the MOCO than he does about his customers. 
I wonder how that is going to work out for him?

[timo482]

no, he is worried about getting caught and having to pay the epa fine... a dealer who flat refuses to change anything - is a honest dealer - all the rest are paupers in waiting.

west coast paid 271,250$ fine for "non compliant engines" 5000 bux PER BIKE THROUGH THE SHOP explains why most bikes are just show bikes now with no plates. - see - http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2007/01/30/jesse-james-fined-for-non-compliant-motorcycles/
quote pulled from 10 page bunch of carb crap "CARB reports that its enforcement division collected more than $2.2 million dollars in fines from motorcycle manufactures, distributors and dealers in 2003 and 2004." thats just TWO YEARS FOLKS"
27500$ - pickup fine - http://www.arb.ca.gov/newsrel/nr052008b.htm
1 million $ harley fine - http://www.sportbikes.net/forums/wisconsin/377493-carb-fines-dynojet-research-power-commander.html
just one page of google 3 million, 498 thousand, 750 dollars in fines for tampering. there were 30 odd pages in google of folks with there ass's handed to them on a platter.

almost all of it - change exhaust, change air cleaner, change tune.

there is NO DEALER ANYWHERE who wont rat if they get asked for a list of where serts or powercommanders etc went.

if harley warrants a bike that has race parts - hd can expect a visit from the man and a 7 figure fine. its hd company policy not to install race parts on bikes with a plate - the dealers often do it anyway - but there are one visit from the man away from bankruptcy to do so.

when we hop up bikes - we have to forget about warranty, forget about having a dealer work on it - and dont keep any written records - if ever asked just say - i used all street legal parts and hope.

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[Gone Fishin']

no, he is worried about getting caught and having to pay the epa fine... a dealer who flat refuses to change anything - is a honest dealer - all the rest are paupers in waiting.

west coast paid 271,250$ fine for "non compliant engines" 5000 bux PER BIKE THROUGH THE SHOP explains why most bikes are just show bikes now with no plates. - see - http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2007/01/30/jesse-james-fined-for-non-compliant-motorcycles/
quote pulled from 10 page bunch of carb crap "CARB reports that its enforcement division collected more than $2.2 million dollars in fines from motorcycle manufactures, distributors and dealers in 2003 and 2004." thats just TWO YEARS FOLKS"
27500$ - pickup fine - http://www.arb.ca.gov/newsrel/nr052008b.htm
1 million $ harley fine - http://www.sportbikes.net/forums/wisconsin/377493-carb-fines-dynojet-research-power-commander.html
just one page of google 3 million, 498 thousand, 750 dollars in fines for tampering. there were 30 odd pages in google of folks with there ass's handed to them on a platter.

almost all of it - change exhaust, change air cleaner, change tune.

there is NO DEALER ANYWHERE who wont rat if they get asked for a list of where serts or powercommanders etc went.

if harley warrants a bike that has race parts - hd can expect a visit from the man and a 7 figure fine. its hd company policy not to install race parts on bikes with a plate - the dealers often do it anyway - but there are one visit from the man away from bankruptcy to do so.

when we hop up bikes - we have to forget about warranty, forget about having a dealer work on it - and dont keep any written records - if ever asked just say - i used all street legal parts and hope.

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I think this post puts it all into the right perspective. It is not only the service manager or the dealer, or the Moco. It is the entire system defining what warranty does really mean. Now, this does not lift the obligation from the Moco to design bikes which are government compliant but also great to run. Here comes the liquid cooled engine ...

Ride safely,
Louis

[REGGAB]

no, he is worried about getting caught and having to pay the epa fine... a dealer who flat refuses to change anything - is a honest dealer - all the rest are paupers in waiting.

west coast paid 271,250$ fine for "non compliant engines" 5000 bux PER BIKE THROUGH THE SHOP explains why most bikes are just show bikes now with no plates. - see - http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2007/01/30/jesse-james-fined-for-non-compliant-motorcycles/
quote pulled from 10 page bunch of carb crap "CARB reports that its enforcement division collected more than $2.2 million dollars in fines from motorcycle manufactures, distributors and dealers in 2003 and 2004." thats just TWO YEARS FOLKS"
27500$ - pickup fine - http://www.arb.ca.gov/newsrel/nr052008b.htm
1 million $ harley fine - http://www.sportbikes.net/forums/wisconsin/377493-carb-fines-dynojet-research-power-commander.html
just one page of google 3 million, 498 thousand, 750 dollars in fines for tampering. there were 30 odd pages in google of folks with there ass's handed to them on a platter.

almost all of it - change exhaust, change air cleaner, change tune.

there is NO DEALER ANYWHERE who wont rat if they get asked for a list of where serts or powercommanders etc went.

if harley warrants a bike that has race parts - hd can expect a visit from the man and a 7 figure fine. its hd company policy not to install race parts on bikes with a plate - the dealers often do it anyway - but there are one visit from the man away from bankruptcy to do so.

when we hop up bikes - we have to forget about warranty, forget about having a dealer work on it - and dont keep any written records - if ever asked just say - i used all street legal parts and hope.

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Yessir, Tim.......that pretty much just about covers the whole enchilada.  You do performance work..........even if it is performance work to make your stock, EPA compliant motorcycle run better and cooler, you just became your own warranty service department.  JMHO.
As for me........What race parts?  There aren't any race parts on Thumper........or the purple bike!  They're all street legal parts!  Yep!    

[guppytrash]

The EPA is a wonderful thing. 

Throw away all those dyno's at the dealers, those are only for race machines.

Funny how if I change my car's air filter to a K&N it does not void the warranty on my electric windows.
Funny how if I change my car's exhaust to a magnaflow it does not void the warranty on my air conditioner. 
If I change my own oil it does not void my warranty.
Somebody help me out here with the case that set the precedent. 

This is the problem I had with my dealer.  First if his shop changed the exhaust to a HD exhaust no problem...if I changed it to an aftermarket in my garage my bike no longer had a warranty.  Example my radio quits working it is no longer a warranty issue for him because I changed my own exhaust and I used V&H.  Bottom line this guy wanted me to pay his shop rates to install anything on my bike.  Sorry I like to do my own work on simple things.  If I changed my own grips and then had trouble with the throttle by wire no warranty.  Give me a giant break!

timo482 maybe you agree with this but I don't.  And there are plenty of dealers in my area who don't agree with it either so they now get my business.

YEA yea I know all about the fines in California and the crack down on these very environmentally offensive 40 to 50 mpg machines all over the U.S.
I guess if he is an honest dealer I will be useing the dishonest dealer who is LOYAL to his customer.

Good Luck and stay STOCK!  Wash only with HD soap and use only HD air in your tires.  And don't count on your seat heat being under warranty if you were not wearing HD underwear and HD jeans when your azz was in contact with it.

For me I will use dealers I trust and take my chances. 
 
 
 





     

[timo482]

i did NOT say i agree with them.

im just stating the facts as they are.

if you have a hot engine & you get a radio problem - the warranty still covers the radio.. sort of.

the i's and t's are that it cant come in off the street or go out on the street - so.. pull the plate and trailer it in, have it fixed, claim you want tunes on the race track or whatever, trailer it home - put the plate back on. but dont even think that trans, forks, brakes, wheels, frame, etc will be covered at all if it has a hot engine. its not. at least not by hd.

what dealers have been doing for years is this: - they claim the engine is not hot to try and get hd to cover - if hd figures it out and wont cover the dealer eats the cost to keep the customer - those costs are recouped on new bike and p&a - if the market goes to hell there is no profit to cover those costs - ewwww

so - if the dealer has in fact been busted & paid a fine - they have to agree to never allow non conforming equipment in there door at all. pissing off customers who have been changing the pipes as the first order of biz for 30 years.

nasty biz all around really.

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[RedDevil]

JMHO, but if I owned a 110cid bike, and still had a warranty, I'd forget about the engine portion of the warranty, make the engine right, and become my own warranty department as far as the engine in concerned.  Problem there is, H-D will likely try to say engine performance mods caused transmission troubles, and ECM remap caused electrical troubles, etc.
It's a crapshoot either way, so I'd have to go down the road of making the bike what I want it to be, and toss the warranty.  That's what I did.........but not everyone feels that way.  I just want a bike that works and is reliable.  Not sure that can be had with a stock 110cid.

Sure it can Henry...Mine is internally bone-stock and I wouldn't hesitate to ride it coast-to-coast and back, I have that much faith in it.  It runs like fine American imitation of a Swiss watch.    But I don't think twice about tossing a leg over it and hitting the open highway.  Maybe I got lucky, but I think there are more of me around there than there are the others.

   

[REGGAB]

Sure it can Henry...Mine is internally bone-stock and I wouldn't hesitate to ride it coast-to-coast and back, I have that much faith in it.  It runs like fine American imitation of a Swiss watch.    But I don't think twice about tossing a leg over it and hitting the open highway.  Maybe I got lucky, but I think there are more of me around there than there are the others.

   

Charlie, Stock means "new, off the showroom floor, untouched, stock mufflers, air cleaner, and virgin ECM."  You've taken the steps necessary to protect your machine by changing those items in one way or another.
The roller bearing on the power side irked me from the time I learned it was there.....about a month after I bought the machine.  My 02 Ultra spoiled me...........and stupid as I am, I left it that way during the first build.  It's a Timken now.  But even with a Timken, and all the rest of the "good stuff" in my motor, chit still happens.  My motor could eat itself the next time I start it.  I pray it does not, but...........crapshoot.
On the other hand, I'm alot more confident in the old Girl now than I ever was.  Like you, I'd throw a leg over and head to the west coast, Forrest Gump style, right now if it was warmer, and I didn't have to work for a livin'.   

[RedDevil]

Charlie, Stock means "new, off the showroom floor, untouched, stock mufflers, air cleaner, and virgin ECM."  You've taken the steps necessary to protect your machine by changing those items in one way or another.
The roller bearing on the power side irked me from the time I learned it was there.....about a month after I bought the machine.  My 02 Ultra spoiled me...........and stupid as I am, I left it that way during the first build.  It's a Timken now.  But even with a Timken, and all the rest of the "good stuff" in my motor, chit still happens.  My motor could eat itself the next time I start it.  I pray it does not, but...........crapshoot.
On the other hand, I'm alot more confident in the old Girl now than I ever was.  Like you, I'd throw a leg over and head to the west coast, Forrest Gump style, right now if it was warmer, and I didn't have to work for a livin'.   

I hear ya on that Henry.     My point was I don't think the 110's themselves are bad engines.  I think the EPA didn't help matters, i.e., the excessive heat.  So I fixed that problem by bringing the AFR down.  You're right though, no matter what you do, or don't do to any engine, it's still a crap shoot.   

 

[REGGAB]

I hear ya on that Henry.     My point was I don't think the 110's themselves are bad engines.  I think the EPA didn't help matters, i.e., the excessive heat.  So I fixed that problem by bringing the AFR down.  You're right though, no matter what you do, or don't do to any engine, it's still a crap shoot.   

 

Yessir, and with the tweaks you've done, and regular maintenance, you'll likely never have a worry.

Our CTD trucks are the same way.  I just had my Bosch CP3 replaced under warranty.  Seems it likes to leak diesel from the case halves when it gets cold.  When it warms up, it stops leaking.  Each time I park it, I end up with a nice puddle of diesel below the sway bar on the left side directly below the power steering pump.  Looking up reveals a dripping injector pump.  Some folks have had this problem.......I'm one of them...........some folks haven't.  Turbo Diesel Register has it well documented.  Finally bothered me enough to take it in and get it changed.  Chit happens.  I'm one of the lucky ones that hasn't lost one or more injectors.  Knock on wood.

[RedDevil]

Yessir, and with the tweaks you've done, and regular maintenance, you'll likely never have a worry.

Our CTD trucks are the same way.  I just had my Bosch CP3 replaced under warranty.  Seems it likes to leak diesel from the case halves when it gets cold.  When it warms up, it stops leaking.  Each time I park it, I end up with a nice puddle of diesel below the sway bar on the left side directly below the power steering pump.  Looking up reveals a dripping injector pump.  Some folks have had this problem.......I'm one of them...........some folks haven't.  Turbo Diesel Register has it well documented.  Finally bothered me enough to take it in and get it changed.  Chit happens.  I'm one of the lucky ones that hasn't lost one or more injectors.  Knock on wood.

Didnt' know that about the CTD.  I guess again, I must be one of the lucky ones because mine, so far, hasn't leaked diesel when it's cold out.  Interesting though, now I'll know what it is if I see it.  Thanks for the heads up on that Henry.