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Re: 09 SERG Comp Springs Shot.
« Reply #60 on: April 16, 2009, 09:05:09 PM »
Quote from: HDDOCFL on March 04, 2009, 12:38:30 PM
Anyone else have a loud primary,? I think it may have to due with the spring pak. MOCO should have included the SE spring pak. Doc

Guess what ? Im hearing it on mine with 99 miles on it.  :soapbox:  >:( I thought when I rode out of the dealership it sounded a little noisey. seemed to be less noisey when hot. :confused5:
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Re: 09 SERG Comp Springs Shot.
« Reply #61 on: April 17, 2009, 07:45:01 AM »
Quote from: Gettinold on April 16, 2009, 09:05:09 PM
Guess what ? Im hearing it on mine with 99 miles on it.  :soapbox:  >:( I thought when I rode out of the dealership it sounded a little noisey. seemed to be less noisey when hot. :confused5:

Do this test. Ride it till hot, put it in neutral and let the clutch out then put it on the side stand and have a listen, primary and trans side.  Doc
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Re: 09 SERG Comp Springs Shot.
« Reply #62 on: April 17, 2009, 08:32:07 AM »

Do you just hear the noise in neutral, or can you hear it under load rolling down the highway?  Could be trans end play, which would manifest itself on both sides of the bike. :nixweiss: 

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Re: 09 SERG Comp Springs Shot.
« Reply #63 on: April 17, 2009, 08:47:36 AM »
Can only hear it in neutral when hot, pull the clutch in and it is bearly noticeable can not hear it riding. The other bike did this same noise and they replaced everything and it still made the noise, end play was one of the first things they checked as it sounds like gears banging together.  Thanks Doc
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Re: 09 SERG Comp Springs Shot.
« Reply #64 on: April 17, 2009, 09:33:46 AM »
I used a mechanics stethescope on mine last night but is was warm the ticking is from the tranny.
It has redline with shockproof in it. 

The comp sprocket was humming along ok, but this thing has a cold knock that sounds terrible, worse than my 07 serk...it has not gotten any worse in 3300 miles, hasn't used any oil but I want to pipe n tune it at the 5k and dont want any billchit from the dealer about it should I need to go in.
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Re: 09 SERG Comp Springs Shot.
« Reply #65 on: April 17, 2009, 09:20:35 PM »
Took mine in this afternoon to have it checked.................. clean bill of health. Needs pipes & the audio turned up.  :orange:
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Re: 09 SERG Comp Springs Shot.
« Reply #66 on: April 18, 2009, 07:56:34 AM »
No help from the dealers or rep.  So I took it home and changed out all the oils , changed headers and installed the fullsac 2.25" baffles. will see today.   Doc    Shockproof , MTL, 20-60 redline.
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Re: 09 SERG Comp Springs Shot.
« Reply #67 on: April 18, 2009, 05:54:54 PM »
A hell of alot better now, I can live with it.  Thanks Doc
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Re: 09 SERG Comp Springs Shot.
« Reply #68 on: April 28, 2009, 04:53:28 PM »
Replaced the MTL with Formula Plus, noise gone. I,ll be dipped.  Doc
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Re: 09 SERG Comp Springs Shot.
« Reply #69 on: April 29, 2009, 05:24:42 AM »
Quote from: HDDOCFL on April 28, 2009, 04:53:28 PM
Replaced the MTL with Formula Plus, noise gone. I,ll be dipped.  Doc

 :confused5:  :nixweiss:
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Re: 09 SERG Comp Springs Shot.
« Reply #70 on: April 29, 2009, 07:52:46 AM »
It does not suprise me that Formula+ would quiet things down.
Formula + is basically a GL-3 lube, and very low in additives. The flash point suggests that it is some variety of synthetic
Here is the virgin oil analysis on it if any one is interested. I am glad it's working well for you.

Calcium 169
Phosphorus 230
Boron 210
Sodium - trace
Zinc - none
No other elemental additives.
Vis. within SAE 50 range.
Listed as a GL-1, does test out as a GL-3.
Specific Gravity: 0.857
Pounds per Gallon: 7.14
Viscosity, ASTM D 445,
cSt at 40°C: 168.04
cSt at 100°C: 20.10
Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270: 139
Brookfield Viscosity, ASTM D 2983,
Flash Point, ASTM D 92, °F (°C): 507 (264)
Pour Point, ASTM D 97, °F (°C): -60 (-51)
Analysis done by Blackstone Laboratories
One interesting point is Harley claims it has a pour point of -60 Fahrenheit.
I put a quart in my freezer for about a hour and it turned into a milky brown goop.
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Re: 09 SERG Comp Springs Shot.
« Reply #71 on: April 29, 2009, 08:15:23 AM »
I knew that I would need a heavyer oil, and the formula+ was the heavyest I could use, that I could find. The redline mtl was way to thin.  Doc
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Re: 09 SERG Comp Springs Shot.
« Reply #72 on: April 29, 2009, 08:23:43 AM »
Anyone have an opinion on where Bel-Ray gear oil falls into the fold here. Thinner or thicker than MTL?? I'm almost afraid to open this can  :nervous:
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Re: 09 SERG Comp Springs Shot.
« Reply #73 on: April 29, 2009, 03:20:30 PM »
Quote from: GH on April 29, 2009, 08:23:43 AM
Anyone have an opinion on where Bel-Ray gear oil falls into the fold here. Thinner or thicker than MTL?? I'm almost afraid to open this can  :nervous:

Redline MTL is a gear oil with a viscosity rating of 70w80 (similar to 30 weight motor oil).  Bel-Ray Primary Chaincase Lubricant is also a gear oil with a viscosity rating of 80w.  In other words, very similar viscosities.

Heavier viscosities shouldn't be necessary in the primary (in fact, many actually run automatic trans fluid), so I'm a little confused as to why the heavier fluid reduced the noise in Doc's bike.  :confused5:

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Re: 09 SERG Comp Springs Shot.
« Reply #74 on: April 29, 2009, 03:21:46 PM »
It does a better job of buffering the slap of the primary chain which shuts it up.
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